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AdNoctum82 #101 Posted 01 September 2015 - 08:19 AM

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Just the kind of drivel one would expect from socialist-educated, has-been countries that are still grumpy that Americans have actual rights as opposed to those passed out by their overlords. And yes, I meant all possible offense with this statement. I'm an American, your approval is not required.

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View PostAdNoctum82, on 01 September 2015 - 08:19 AM, said:

Just the kind of drivel one would expect from socialist-educated, has-been countries that are still grumpy that Americans have actual rights as opposed to those passed out by their overlords. And yes, I meant all possible offense with this statement. I'm an American, your approval is not required.

 

Just the kind of drivel one would expect from self-infatuated, arrogant countries whose total ignorance of the world outside of their borders is matched only by their lust for oil and the ridiculous notion that they are some kind of omnipotent, all powerful world police. And yes, I meant all possible offence with this statement. I'm an Englishman, your approval is not required.

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AdNoctum82 #103 Posted 01 September 2015 - 08:35 AM

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Well, someone woke up missing their colonies... Why don't you cry about it?

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View PostAdNoctum82, on 01 September 2015 - 08:35 AM, said:

Well, someone woke up missing their colonies... Why don't you cry about it?

 

The colonies are the ones who should cry, most of them are much worse places now than they ever were under British dominion.

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AdNoctum82 #105 Posted 01 September 2015 - 08:44 AM

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Okay, yes, I will give you that one for sure.

 



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time to archive this thread

Sqn Ldr B #107 Posted 01 September 2015 - 10:08 AM

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Eh, no.

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View PostSqn Ldr B, on 06 August 2015 - 05:14 PM, said:

I kind of thought Hitler might not have killed himself, since one of his main reasons for doing so was to prevent the Soviets getting their hands on him, where he would undoubtedly have suffered a horrible end. Perhaps he might not have killed himself if the British or Americans were going to capture him, since they would probably have treated him with a degree of dignity, more so than the Russians would.

As soon as Hitler saw the films of what happened to Mussolini and his girlfriend being strung up in the square and beaten and mutilated ect,he made his mind uo that he or his body would not fall into allied hands.



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View PostAdNoctum82, on 01 September 2015 - 03:19 AM, said:

Just the kind of drivel one would expect from socialist-educated, has-been countries that are still grumpy that Americans have actual rights as opposed to those passed out by their overlords. And yes, I meant all possible offense with this statement. I'm an American, your approval is not required.

Something I've noticed, anecdotally of course, is that Americans seem to be really confused about how rights work, namely that in all countries rights are granted to the population by the government. In the state of nature, no-one has any rights. e.g. Freedom of religion... unless I and however many people I need to enforce our demands on you force you to convert, or we kill you. Right to bear arms... unless I and however many people I need to enforce our demands take your weapons away. Etc. In the state of nature, the only rights are those you can enforce yourself, and as many men are more powerful than any man, there are no rights you can enforce yourself.

Rights only exist in societies where a government exists because the government does have the ability to enforce its dictates on the population through the threat of violence. Hence, even in America, any rights and freedoms possessed are yours by grace of the government alone. 

View PostSqn Ldr B, on 01 September 2015 - 03:42 AM, said:

 

The colonies are the ones who should cry, most of them are much worse places now than they ever were under British dominion.

Figures that the only ones that were really granted independence willingly, are the only ones that really seem like they're better off. (talking about Canada, Australia and NZ. South Africa too, though I'm not sure how well its doing at the moment.)

Actually, for all I know Australia and New Zealand are also terrible now. But Canada is better I think. :P


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I was talking more about Asia and Africa. I mean look at places like the Middle East. As soon as the British left, all hell broke loose. It was only because the RAF was given total command in the Middle East during the 30s that the place stayed as stable as it did. The tribes and nomads they were fighting were terrified of aeroplanes. They could just fly over with a loudspeaker, threaten to bomb them, and they'd surrender. Now look at the place. Look at Israel. When the British Mandate in Palestine ended, and the State of Israel was created, at exactly midnight, the Egyptians sent tanks rolling over the border literally as soon as the bell tolled twelve. It just shows how in places like that the British were usually the only thing preventing the place collapsing into hell's cauldron.

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View PostSqn Ldr B, on 24 August 2015 - 04:35 PM, said:

 

I know, it would be much more interesting and exciting than the education system here.

 

Believe it or not, but, and here is a real laugh here, we have Code I plans where the teachers all have some blunt instrument, (and in the case of the band teacher, and I kid you not, the blunt end of a trumpet. :teethhappy:) hide to the side of the doors lying in wait for a potential intruder to get clubbed over the head. Seriously.

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View PostMatthew J35U5, on 01 September 2015 - 12:47 PM, said:

Something I've noticed, anecdotally of course, is that Americans seem to be really confused about how rights work, namely that in all countries rights are granted to the population by the government. In the state of nature, no-one has any rights. e.g. Freedom of religion... unless I and however many people I need to enforce our demands on you force you to convert, or we kill you. Right to bear arms... unless I and however many people I need to enforce our demands take your weapons away. Etc. In the state of nature, the only rights are those you can enforce yourself, and as many men are more powerful than any man, there are no rights you can enforce yourself.

Rights only exist in societies where a government exists because the government does have the ability to enforce its dictates on the population through the threat of violence. Hence, even in America, any rights and freedoms possessed are yours by grace of the government alone. 

Figures that the only ones that were really granted independence willingly, are the only ones that really seem like they're better off. (talking about Canada, Australia and NZ. South Africa too, though I'm not sure how well its doing at the moment.)

Actually, for all I know Australia and New Zealand are also terrible now. But Canada is better I think. :P

 

New Zealand is doing rather well, Australia however, yeah....

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View PostXxDAFFYxxDUCKxX, on 01 September 2015 - 08:08 PM, said:

 

New Zealand is doing rather well, Australia however, yeah....

 

Neither are doing as well as India is. Seventh in the world for nominal GDP, GDP in India currently at $2.469 trillion, and third in the world for PPP, PPP currently at $7.996 trillion. India is fast becoming an economic powerhouse and, whilst it currently is an issue, the number of people living in poverty is falling, figures from 2012 (I haven't found more recent figures yet) citing 21.9% of India's population living below the poverty line which is a 1.3% drop from the 2011 figures.

 

Two of the biggest economies in the world, India and the US, are former British colonies. Hong Kong isn't doing too badly either and I think that Singapore and Malaysia are both in the top 40 GDP list somewhere so they seem to be doing a-ok. Seems that the British did something right in the colonies at some point in the past...


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View PostXxDAFFYxxDUCKxX, on 01 September 2015 - 08:06 PM, said:

 

Believe it or not, but, and here is a real laugh here, we have Code I plans where the teachers all have some blunt instrument, (and in the case of the band teacher, and I kid you not, the blunt end of a trumpet. :teethhappy:) hide to the side of the doors lying in wait for a potential intruder to get clubbed over the head. Seriously.

 

You could make it even more comical by breaking a drum over his head.  And then bend a trombone around him to stop him from moving. And have one of the students on a drum kit to go 'Badum, tish!' when he gets the drum over the head. :teethhappy:

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