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Hellhound2723 #21 Posted 30 August 2015 - 10:13 PM

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View PostHellhound2723, on 30 August 2015 - 10:09 PM, said:

Maybe not, because we were bombing the hell out of production facilities.

 

The bombing had relatively little effect, Germany didn't really initiate wartime production until halfway through 1943 and even after they didn't have the capability to produce them in any large numbers. 

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View PostSqn Ldr B, on 30 August 2015 - 04:01 PM, said:

See what I meant in my first post?

 

 

Most likely the SS would be seized by a fanatical fighting spirit and gone on until the end. The rest of the German military would probably just cave in as senior officers and Nazi party officials struggled for control of the Reich, especially if Hitler hadn't had the time to name his successor in his will like he did before he killed himself. Most likely the high command would collapse, the fighting spirit of the men would be gone with no leadership, and it would be a case of the hardcore Nazis fighting on until the end and most of the Wehrmacht, Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine fleeing westwards in a wholesale mass exodus in an attempt to surrender to the Western allies rather than the Russians.

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View Postlem891, on 30 August 2015 - 04:14 PM, said:

 

The bombing had relatively little effect, Germany didn't really initiate wartime production until halfway through 1943 and even after they didn't have the capability to produce them in any large numbers.

By that time Germany had already spread themselves too thin on more than one front.


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View Postlem891, on 30 August 2015 - 04:14 PM, said:

 

The bombing had relatively little effect, Germany didn't really initiate wartime production until halfway through 1943 and even after they didn't have the capability to produce them in any large numbers.

They cranked out several thousand V2 and V3 rockets and were lobbing them at England.


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View PostHellhound2723, on 30 August 2015 - 10:16 PM, said:

Yeah I see that. Not worried about it, just a debate.

 

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View PostHellhound2723, on 30 August 2015 - 10:21 PM, said:

They cranked out several thousand V2 and V3 rockets and were lobbing them at England.

 

I think you mean V1 and V2. The V2 was the only rocket, the V1 was a pulsejet flying bomb, and the V3 was an accelerated supergun that could fire shells over a very long range at high speed. They used it to shell Antwerp and Rotterdam before the site was overrun.

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View PostSqn Ldr B, on 30 August 2015 - 04:23 PM, said:

 

I think you mean V1 and V2. The V2 was the only rocket, the V1 was a pulsejet flying bomb, and the V3 was an accelerated supergun that could fire shells over a very long range at high speed. They used it to shell Antwerp and Rotterdam before the site was overrun.

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View PostHellhound2723, on 30 August 2015 - 10:21 PM, said:

They cranked out several thousand V2 and V3 rockets and were lobbing them at England.

 

They were no where enough of them to have an impact on the course of the war, well they did because it managed to cost more than the Manhattan project, take up an extremely vast amount of resources for very little gain and managed to kill more people building them than who they were actually aimed at. 

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View Postlem891, on 30 August 2015 - 10:29 PM, said:

 

They were no where enough of them to have an impact on the course of the war, well they did because it managed to cost more than the Manhattan project, take up an extremely vast amount of resources for very little gain and managed to kill more people building them than who they were actually aimed at. 

 

They did do a large amount to put a damper on high British spirits in 44 and 45. They'd survived the Blitz, the bombing had petered out by 43, and now they were being bombed by something you couldn't see or hear that had twice as much destructive force, which kind of shocked them.

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View PostHellhound2723, on 30 August 2015 - 04:57 PM, said:

The V2 or even the V3 could have affected the war on a small scale if they had more time to perfect the accuracy. It was the first ICBM or Scud missile.

Not really. The problem with the V2 is, at best, it is able to deliver 1 ton of explosives to its target. That just isn't really sufficient to justify its cost. (Consider that the Germans spent as much on the V2 rocket program as the Americans spent on the Manhatten project).

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Yeah, but give it a few hours and my money is on a certain person coming in here, commandeering the thread and being an arrogant fool.

You are so incredibly butthurt. Its delicious. 


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View PostSqn Ldr B, on 30 August 2015 - 10:32 PM, said:

 

They did do a large amount to put a damper on high British spirits in 44 and 45. They'd survived the Blitz, the bombing had petered out by 43, and now they were being bombed by something you couldn't see or hear that had twice as much destructive force, which kind of shocked them.

 

But moral damage was all they were good for, that's what I've said at the start.

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View Postlem891, on 30 August 2015 - 04:38 PM, said:

 

But moral damage was all they were good for, that's what I've said at the start.

Morale is another valuable resource. Can't win a war without the will to fight.


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I'd really rather not think about what horrors would have occurred if Germany's Secret Wonder Weapons had been developed and fielded. The world was hell-bent on destroying itself...an escalation of military technology of that magnitude would have had unimaginable consequences.


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View PostMatthew J35U5, on 30 August 2015 - 10:38 PM, said:

You are so incredibly butthurt. Its delicious. 

Oh, you're a lot quicker than I'd expected. To be honest I can think of three people that would match the description anyway, so don't feel too special.


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View PostMatthew J35U5, on 30 August 2015 - 04:38 PM, said:

Not really. The problem with the V2 is, at best, it is able to deliver 1 ton of explosives to its target. That just isn't really sufficient to justify its cost. (Consider that the Germans spent as much on the V2 rocket program as the Americans spent on the Manhatten project).

You are so incredibly butthurt. Its delicious.

You can do alot of damage with a rocket than ca deliver 1 ton of explosive that has pin point accuracy. Like a cruise missile.


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View PostHellhound2723, on 30 August 2015 - 10:42 PM, said:

Morale is another valuable resource. Can't win a war without the will to fight.

 

But at the stage of the war they were deployed I doubt they would have had any real impact, the damage done by V2's was a fraction of what happened during the blitz, which was a fraction of what the RAF and the USAAF were doing to Germany at the time. 

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I think a more fun conversation would be how far the Soviet Union would have been set back if Stalin had listened to some of the crazy ideas wonder weapons that were suggested to him. Behold the mighty jumping tank:
http://tankarchives.blogspot.ca/2015/07/war-of-worlds.html

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Why would they need to develop superweapons when their late war designs were plenty good and in varying stages of production.

He 213, Ta 152H, He 162, Ho 223, Ar 232, Ar 234C and the Me 264 were all good aircraft that reached either limited production or the prototype stages.


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