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NSW Mntd Rifles #21 Posted 02 October 2015 - 07:26 AM

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Having said that, my parents who had lived through the war idolised Churchill. I still remember watching his funeral on television and feeling admiration. Regardless Australia has a conflicted view on the man. Graham Freudenburg's "Churchill and Australia" is an interesting read.

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DStegCat #22 Posted 15 October 2015 - 09:25 PM

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When the situation was manageable it was neglected, and now that it is thoroughly out of hand we apply too late the remedies which then might have effected a cure. There is nothing new in the story. It is as old as the sibylline books. It falls into that long, dismal catalogue of the fruitlessness of experience and the confirmed unteachability of mankind. Want of foresight, unwillingness to act when action would be simple and effective, lack of clear thinking, confusion of counsel until the emergency comes, until self-preservation strikes its jarring gong–these are the features which constitute the endless repetition of history.”

May 2, 1935 Winston Churchill, House of Commons over the Stresa Conference about keeping Austria independent by Great Britain, France, and Italy.

 

Even Churchill was doomed to repeat his same mistakes but he could talk about others mistakes.  Something George Santyana says succinctly he eloquently elaborates upon.  The irony is England follows the Stresa Conference, statement, and front with what it did in Czechoslovakia.

 


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kaloochi #23 Posted 26 October 2015 - 02:31 PM

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Churchill hd his faults just like anyone else, and being a world leader and historical figure of such standing, his will be analysed more than most.  I would like to know what would have happened if Churchill hadn't come to power when he did and stood up to the Nazis, as no one else had the balls to do so.  There were many at the time who were more than willing to appease the fascist lunatics.  If Hitler had won i'd dare anyone to speak their mind and publicly denounce him.  It could be said that, either directly or indirectly, it's because of Churchill that we enjoy the freedoms we do today.  This forum being one of them.

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Sqn Ldr B #24 Posted 26 October 2015 - 02:33 PM

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View Postkaloochi, on 26 October 2015 - 02:31 PM, said:

Churchill hd his faults just like anyone else, and being a world leader and historical figure of such standing, his will be analysed more than most.  I would like to know what would have happened if Churchill hadn't come to power when he did and stood up to the Nazis, as no one else had the balls to do so.  There were many at the time who were more than willing to appease the fascist lunatics.  If Hitler had won i'd dare anyone to speak their mind and publicly denounce him.  It could be said that, either directly or indirectly, it's because of Churchill that we enjoy the freedoms we do today. 

 

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DStegCat #25 Posted 26 October 2015 - 05:43 PM

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Can someone explain historically why Churchill was not reelected at the time of the Potsdam conference?  His influence beyond Potsdam would have been interesting.

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Sqn Ldr B #26 Posted 26 October 2015 - 05:54 PM

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View PostDStegCat, on 26 October 2015 - 05:43 PM, said:

Can someone explain historically why Churchill was not reelected at the time of the Potsdam conference?  His influence beyond Potsdam would have been interesting.

 

Mainly because he was very much a wartime prime minister. He excelled leading the nation to victory, but while he was admired by most for that, he was a Tory, and a Tory was not what the people wanted after the war. Labour offered so much more in the way of social services, the NHS, council housing, unemployment benefits, all the stuff that was needed to get Britain back on its feet after the war. He was still known for his failures, even after his greatest success. He went into a fit of depression after this, but he got elected in the next election anyway.

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DStegCat #27 Posted 26 October 2015 - 06:37 PM

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Ahhh.  Yea suffer the same ills as the rest of U.S.

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WidowMaker1711 #28 Posted 26 October 2015 - 06:44 PM

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View PostSqn Ldr B, on 23 September 2015 - 04:10 PM, said:

 

Actually I'd agree, most of Victorian England was a shitehole.

 

Does that explain North East England


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kaloochi #29 Posted 26 October 2015 - 07:07 PM

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If you want perspective on Victorian London, read 'The people of the abyss' by Jack London.

Sqn Ldr B #30 Posted 26 October 2015 - 09:48 PM

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View PostWidowMaker1711, on 26 October 2015 - 06:44 PM, said:

 

Does that explain North East England

 

Only Hull.

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Sqn Ldr B #31 Posted 27 October 2015 - 05:40 PM

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Coast Artillery #32 Posted 29 November 2015 - 10:54 PM

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Love him or hate him, he was what Britain needed during its darkest hours.  He rallied a Nation and gave the world hope in 1940 and 41.  I  personally admire him, and have studied him for several years. 

Sqn Ldr B #33 Posted 30 November 2015 - 07:32 AM

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I seriously doubt Britain's ability to have won the war under anyone else's leadership.

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Turboclicker #34 Posted 02 December 2015 - 08:58 AM

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FDR was better.

WidowMaker1711 #35 Posted 02 December 2015 - 09:06 AM

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View PostTurboclicker, on 02 December 2015 - 08:58 AM, said:

FDR was better.

 

FDR was a little too friendly with paranoid Uncle Joe towards the end of WW2. Churchill told him what was coming


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Turboclicker #36 Posted 02 December 2015 - 09:08 AM

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View PostWidowMaker1711, on 02 December 2015 - 05:06 AM, said:

 

FDR was a little too friendly with paranoid Uncle Joe towards the end of WW2. Churchill told him what was coming

 

That was a quick response.



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View PostTurboclicker, on 02 December 2015 - 09:08 AM, said:

 

That was a quick response.

 

Im awake and sleep deprived. I get quicker.

 

Edit: And before the "PATRIOTS" come in here Im in no way denying the FDR was a great man or great President. 


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Turboclicker #38 Posted 02 December 2015 - 09:12 AM

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View PostWidowMaker1711, on 02 December 2015 - 05:10 AM, said:

 

Im awake and sleep deprived. I get quicker 

 

I mean, especially for one of the least visited forum sections.



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View PostTurboclicker, on 02 December 2015 - 09:12 AM, said:

 

I mean, especially for one of the least visited forum sections.

 

It comes up under New Content


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Sqn Ldr B #40 Posted 02 December 2015 - 04:11 PM

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View PostTurboclicker, on 02 December 2015 - 08:58 AM, said:

FDR was better.

 

You can guess what my response is, I don't need to say it.

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