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So, how is highest average damage calculated?

Previously it was said in the first MoE explained thread that the score is your place compared to the global data set of the last two weeks. So you're in the 65th percentile, 85th percentile, 95th percentile, you get 1, 2 or 3 marks.

The term highest average damage makes it sound like you're being compared to whoever got the best EMA over the last two weeks.


 

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Before the MoE update, was there skill tracking on each of your tanks beforehand so that if you were already performing better than say 65% of the community, you would automatically qualify for 1 MoE after one battle when MoEs were implemented?

 


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View PostCrescere Scithe, on 12 October 2015 - 12:09 AM, said:

Before the MoE update, was there skill tracking on each of your tanks beforehand so that if you were already performing better than say 65% of the community, you would automatically qualify for 1 MoE after one battle when MoEs were implemented?

Yes. 



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View PostTocFanKe4, on 11 October 2015 - 04:14 PM, said:

So, how is highest average damage calculated?

Previously it was said in the first MoE explained thread that the score is your place compared to the global data set of the last two weeks. So you're in the 65th percentile, 85th percentile, 95th percentile, you get 1, 2 or 3 marks.

The term highest average damage makes it sound like you're being compared to whoever got the best EMA over the last two weeks.
 

 

 

We're competing against the single top performer.  MoE's are no indication what so ever of how well you do versus the rest of the player population.  Just. One. Person.


 

doesn't seem right to me


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View PostcmStone, on 12 October 2015 - 06:13 AM, said:

 

 

We're competing against the single top performer.  MoE's are no indication what so ever of how well you do versus the rest of the player population.  Just. One. Person.


 

doesn't seem right to me

 

That isn't what was said in the other thread. They said it was compared to the global data set. That's why I'm asking. Two different explanations.


 

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View PostNiko Power WGA, on 07 October 2015 - 10:26 PM, said:

Marks of Excellence are essentially Mastery badges that look at player damage + assist damage instead of experience. Like Mastery Badges, they can only be awarded if a player achieves more damage per game than a percentage of the entire player base. The server takes the average damage over the past 14 days from all players who have played that tank and compares it against the player’s average damage after each battle. 


What does all this mean?  The damage and assist damage you earn after each battle will be compared against the average for that tank across ALL battles in the past 14 days.  If your average is higher the required percentage of the global average, you’ll earn a mark! 

Let’s say the top damage + assist damage for the IS-6 per match is 7000 points of damage.  To get the first mark, you need higher than 65% of that, which is 4500.  85% is 5950 and 95% is 6650.  Remember it’s the average of damage dealt + assist damage!

 

Players who have already earned a Mark of Excellence can now track their progress towards the next one with the addition of progress percentages.

The progress will be shown in the Stats Log, per vehicle: "Your current ratio is higher than the ratio of X% of players."

 

 

At the moment, only players that have already earned a Mark of Excellence will be able to see the progress towards the next one. Players without a Mark on any tank will not be able to see their percentage while they try to earn the first Mark.  This will be changed in a future update to allow all players to view their progress percentage even if they do not currently own a Mark.

 

 The Details:
  • Awarded per tank.
  • Tier V tanks or higher only.
  • Minimum of one battle to be eligible to earn a mark.
  • Once a player earns a mark, they will always have it.
  • Players may see marks awarded again in a battle. This works similarly to Mastery badges.
  • Stats tab displays highest Mark(s) and current percentage for that tank if you’ve earned a Mark.  Support for players who are trying to earn their first mark will be added soon!

 

Historically, gun marks were typically earned only by tank aces, so earning them in World of Tanks is deliberately demanding. To earn the first of three marks for a specific tank, you'll have to break into the top 35% of players using it; for the second and third tiers you'll need to rank in the top 15% and 5% respectively.

 

 !!UPDATE!! For even more detailed information on MOE, please this link: http://forum-console.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/109763-marks-of-excellence-explained-part-ii

 

thx niko that helped a lot:)

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In both of these explanation posts they say it two different ways.  I just want a straight answer as well.

 

Is it based on where you are, compared to everybody else, or is it based on the highest average of the top performer.

seem like a simple enough question


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View PostTocFanKe4, on 11 October 2015 - 05:14 PM, said:

So, how is highest average damage calculated?

Previously it was said in the first MoE explained thread that the score is your place compared to the global data set of the last two weeks. So you're in the 65th percentile, 85th percentile, 95th percentile, you get 1, 2 or 3 marks.

The term highest average damage makes it sound like you're being compared to whoever got the best EMA over the last two weeks.
 

 

View PostcmStone, on 12 October 2015 - 07:13 AM, said:

 

 

We're competing against the single top performer.  MoE's are no indication what so ever of how well you do versus the rest of the player population.  Just. One. Person.


 

doesn't seem right to me

 

View PostTocFanKe4, on 12 October 2015 - 09:13 AM, said:

 

That isn't what was said in the other thread. They said it was compared to the global data set. That's why I'm asking. Two different explanations.

 

Hmm I suspect it is the mean and not the average.   50 percent would be the exact middle of the population, better than half the tankers, worse than the others.  65 percent would be better than 65 percent of tankers and worse than 34.99 percent, etc.  I'll check out the PC forum and wotlabs and see how its done there and report back.

Edited by UR TANK SPLODED, 12 October 2015 - 11:59 PM.


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Ok here it is, this is above my ability to explain, but I also copied (FULL DISCLOSURE™;) an explanation....

 

EMAi = EMAi-1 + K*(DAMAGEi – EMAi-1)
• DAMAGEi = (Dealt by player in battle) + ( maximum damage by tracking or by spotting) - (team-damage caused to allies in battle)
• k = 2 / (N +1)
• N = 100
 
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Generally, new battles are TWICE as important for the average as they would be if this was a straight average of the last 100 battles (thus the 2 factor in 2/101). As more battles accumulate the older ones start being less and less important. The 2 factor is used to make the average more responsive to changes, so you don't need to wait 100 good games to see an improvement, it is quite a bit more responsive than that. A 100 factor would make the newest battle as important as all your previous battles combined (which would suck if it is 0 game...). So a new battle that is good can balance 2 [edited]older battles, and a [edited]new battle cancels 2 great ones. 
 
 
So we are not stuck with the old battles, but they are still a part of the calculation, and newer battles are more influential. 
As to where the bar is set, that will vary tank to tank, BUT we do have access to some weekly best tankers and such so we can look up their rainbow unicum stats and see that the bar is not set by one tanker spoiling the curve so to speak.
 
 
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Read some more, from a year ago on the PC side, and its not a single tanker that sets the bar, but it is also not easy to figure where the bar is set.  It is actually a not so simple statistical analysis.  The end result at least on PC a year ago ( and that is about where we are as a franchise)  it took solid blue WN8 to earn the third mark in around 100 games.  Purple WN8 (moving average) numbers were required to do it in less than that.

Edited by UR TANK SPLODED, 12 October 2015 - 11:52 PM.


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I'm starting to think that your scores do go away after two weeks. Two weeks ago I played a lot of games in my TOG. I had great scores. I worked and got my percent up to about 80 percent. Then I played a couple bad games, and it went down to 79 percent. That's where I ended Saturday night.

I didn't play Sunday because I had read here that your scores don't go away after two weeks, that you just get compared to the last two weeks of scores. I log in today, and I've dropped 3 percent in a day. Yeah, I know the average could have changed,  but it seems weird that my scores only went up or down a percent or less day to day before this.

Now I go 14 days past my epic TOG night, and it drops 3 percent. I have no proof, but it seems like to much of a coincidence.

 

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View PostUR TANK SPLODED, on 12 October 2015 - 03:33 PM, said:

Read some more, from a year ago on the PC side, and its not a single tanker that sets the bar, but it is also not easy to figure where the bar is set.  It is actually a not so simple statistical analysis.  The end result at least on PC a year ago ( and that is about where we are as a franchise)  it took solid blue WN8 to earn the third mark in around 100 games.  Purple WN8 (moving average) numbers were required to do it in less than that.

 

That is interesting.  It also coincides with my data on the T67 that suggested the first mark was correlated with a yellow WN8.  It would then follow that a green WN8 would yield 2 marks and blue would yield the 3rd mark.  I'll be interested to see if that pattern holds close to accurate for other tanks.

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Thank you!  This is very clear.


 


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Say I have one MoE for a tank and I am at around 80% (nearly at the 2nd MoE) for a tank when the server resets, will the MoE stay at 80% or will it go all the way down to 65% and I have to start again?

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View PostMattbrit Force, on 13 October 2015 - 11:21 AM, said:

Say I have one MoE for a tank and I am at around 80% (nearly at the 2nd MoE) for a tank when the server resets, will the MoE stay at 80% or will it go all the way down to 65% and I have to start again?

 

It may go up or down depending on how the averages change.  The change will be minimal though, maybe 1-2% on any given day.


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I'm not totally convinced that your percentage won't go down if it's been more than two weeks since you had a good performance.

 

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View PostPontiac Pat, on 13 October 2015 - 11:48 AM, said:

 

It may go up or down depending on how the averages change.  The change will be minimal though, maybe 1-2% on any given day.

 

Thank you, I thought that was the case, I don't mind a small drop here or there, but if it went all the way back to 65%, then that would be annoying lol.

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