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radonism #1 Posted 21 December 2015 - 10:21 AM

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Hi all,

 

Finished the very enjoyable grind on the T20 and got myself a shiny new Pershing.

 

Wondered if anyone had any thoughts over what to expect? More of the same or does it differ from the T20 in any major way? I guess the set up is as per normal, i.e., Vents/Vert Stab, Rammer and Optics?

 

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yep same basic equipment. Rough stock grinds from this tank on out guns are painful or at least that's how i remember them. Turret armor is nice and you need to use the gun depression to the max to get the most benefit out of the tank. But someone with better results from this like will jump in shortly and do better than I at explaining it.


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LOSTVENGENCE96 #3 Posted 21 December 2015 - 11:56 AM

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It's a well round and does almost nothing well. But it does hull down amazing. But has lack luster pen..

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It does nothing great -- it does, however, do lots of stuff well. It is also nothing like the T20, which was more of a scout medium. Instead, play it like a baby T29 by getting hull down, as the mantlet is really quite good. 

 

It'll be a bit painful until you get the top package (as is the case with most tanks), but the top gun has really, really good pen with prem rounds, so you will need to have some on hand for tier X games, as the standard 190 pen will be inadequate at times. You also can't play it as aggressively as, say, a Soviet medium -- it's too big and too slow, though the hull will generate the surprising bounce now and then. I tend to find spots to get hull down on city maps, and work ridgelines on the more open ones. The speed means you can't flank super aggressively, but you certainly want to if you can. It also has really good view range, so if you can get into good spotting positions in time and there are no scouts, you can serve as the team's eyeballs.

 

I really, really like it, to be honest. I had heard it was lackluster, but I find it suits me pretty well. Probably a keeper, IMHO.


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"It's like we're shooting spitballs!"

 

Be prepared to hear that quite a bit until you get it upgraded.  Wolf pack and hull down for success.



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View PostTKE919, on 21 December 2015 - 02:50 PM, said:

It does nothing great -- it does, however, do lots of stuff well. It is also nothing like the T20, which was more of a scout medium. Instead, play it like a baby T29 by getting hull down, as the mantlet is really quite good. 

 

It'll be a bit painful until you get the top package (as is the case with most tanks), but the top gun has really, really good pen with prem rounds, so you will need to have some on hand for tier X games, as the standard 190 pen will be inadequate at times. You also can't play it as aggressively as, say, a Soviet medium -- it's too big and too slow, though the hull will generate the surprising bounce now and then. I tend to find spots to get hull down on city maps, and work ridgelines on the more open ones. The speed means you can't flank super aggressively, but you certainly want to if you can. It also has really good view range, so if you can get into good spotting positions in time and there are no scouts, you can serve as the team's eyeballs.

 

I really, really like it, to be honest. I had heard it was lackluster, but I find it suits me pretty well. Probably a keeper, IMHO.

 

Nice review. Thanks. Sounds a bit like a marginally slower version of the T95E2 - a tier 8 premium medium. The gun on that can be a little lackluster at times, but I've grown to really like the tank. There are occasions where you're just not going to penetrate from the front, but I re-position and take them from the side. Have had some monster games in that one. Hope the Pershing sings the same tune!
  

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it's only weakness is speed... It is too slow for a high tier medium. In everything else it is awesome just like the T-20. If only it had T-20 speed and maneuverability....

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The premium ammo is really good, but other than that be ready for a thoroughly mediocre tank (and line)

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It has really good gun depression and low profile for peeking over hills, mountains, and ridges. This is where it shines, use range to scout and pick off enemies from a distance. It is not a brawler. When the gun pens, u get satisfying damage even though it's not very accurate. Use apcr on tier ten heavies, unless u know u will lose the battle and lose silver.

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Keep your distance.  Use your view range.  Bring APCR.  Find gullies, small hills, and rubble piles.  Don't stay in the same exact place too long, keep it moving.  If you are top tier though and there are no tier VIII heavies on red (yes it has happened) then go Tiger hunting and do what you wish but watch out for TDs and hull-down T-29s.  Have fun.

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T20 has bad on-the-move accuracy, Pershing has terrific on-the-move accuracy. You can really rock autolock, especially with vert stab plus snapshot and smooth ride skills.

 

Pershing has a little more get up and go (imo). The t20 has great top speed, it just takes a little bit to get there. Pershing is a little better equipped to be a flanker and beast on the move. (Dat snapshot <3) You won't be circling many tanks, but you can get around tanks that are being engaged by a teammate and give them a little surprise.

 

T20 has no armor, top tier Pershing will bounce some shots, not just from the turret/mantlet but also from the surprisingly troll hull.

 

T20 has slightly better camo and lower profile, but pershing isn't really meant to rely on camo so it doesn't matter that much. They both have great view range and are meant to stay mobile and use terrain at mid range.

 

T20 has better pen for tier with AP, but pershing has insanely good pen with APCR. You will slice through high tier tanks like butter. Just be prepared to spend silver.

 

I don't agree with those who said this tank is meant to be played at a distance (it's mid range). It has the same mediocre accuracy as most American guns. What it's very good at is being an opportunist. Look for flanking opportunities and gang up on enemies. Preserve your health pool for the late game. Once you've mastered the pershing, you'll have a really good handle on how to play mediums.


 

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Worst stock grind ever!

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For those who have gone through this line already: How does the Patton 46 play in comparison to the Pershing? Seems like it'd be similar.

 

(Note that I'm not 100% sure I even want the 48, as I hear it's just worse tier-for-tier than the 46; but would love to see whatchy'all have to type.)



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View PostLOSTVENGENCE96, on 21 December 2015 - 06:56 AM, said:

It's a well round and does almost nothing well. But it does hull down amazing. But has lack luster pen..

 

Does nothing well.

Good at hull down.

 

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View PostGigantic Owl, on 21 December 2015 - 02:20 PM, said:

 

Does nothing well.

Good at hull down.

 

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View PostTKE919, on 21 December 2015 - 12:56 PM, said:

For those who have gone through this line already: How does the Patton 46 play in comparison to the Pershing? Seems like it'd be similar.

 

(Note that I'm not 100% sure I even want the 48, as I hear it's just worse tier-for-tier than the 46; but would love to see whatchy'all have to type.)

 

It's less armored than the pershing so you really can't afford to take hits at all. But it's much better at circling because it has the same great on-the-move accuracy combined with better terrain resistance and turning radius. It's a really fun tank--very mobile. The m48 is fun too once you unlock the top gun, but it's very underwhelming until then.

 

Edit: meant to say ground resistance. I dunno if terrain resistance is the right term.


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The Pershing fully upgraded is the shining example of American engineering tier for tier. I shouldn't have sold get the fatton

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View PostrhymeswithN00bs, on 21 December 2015 - 03:51 PM, said:

 

It's less armored than the pershing so you really can't afford to take hits at all. But it's much better at circling because it has the same great on-the-move accuracy combined with better terrain resistance and turning radius. It's a really fun tank--very mobile. The m48 is fun too once you unlock the top gun, but it's very underwhelming until then.

 

Edit: meant to say ground resistance. I dunno if terrain resistance is the right term.

 

I knew what ya meant. :)  And thanks! 

 

Sad that it's not as good at hull down. Seems like it's similar to the T32/M103 differences (e.g., not as strong a turret and mantlet, but more mobile).



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View Postsistone, on 21 December 2015 - 05:21 AM, said:

Hi all,

 

Finished the very enjoyable grind on the T20 and got myself a shiny new Pershing.

 

Wondered if anyone had any thoughts over what to expect? More of the same or does it differ from the T20 in any major way? I guess the set up is as per normal, i.e., Vents/Vert Stab, Rammer and Optics?

 

Thanks and Happy Tanking!

 

Loved the t20. Surprisingly.  Pershing is just meh...

 

But in a good way..

 

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Pershing is not meh. It's good in pretty much every way (so long as you can afford APCR). How many tanks in the game can say that? Most tanks have one or two good or awesome attributes and the rest are meh or adequate. It's rare to find a tank that's good at everything. Just because it doesn't excel at anything doesn't mean it's meh. That means it's balanced.

 

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