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d0ntblink97 #101 Posted 02 July 2015 - 08:38 AM

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View PostImhidingshh, on 02 July 2015 - 02:36 AM, said:

 

That'll be hard as there's hardly any Meme's or Gif's here. 

 

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View PostCaliMeatWagon, on 02 July 2015 - 12:13 AM, said:

 

Who says it's broken? 

 

The PC version, isn't that why their doing a major rework?

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View PostImhidingshh, on 02 July 2015 - 02:40 AM, said:

 

The PC version, isn't that why their doing a major rework?

 

they are? any links or places i can go to see >_>

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Imhidingshh #104 Posted 02 July 2015 - 08:42 AM

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View PostRuthless4u, on 02 July 2015 - 12:15 AM, said:

Maybe if the same handfull would stop making new ones when people get tired of the old ones.

 

I'm not one for making multiple threads just because mines not being looked at. But I think people do it because they feel they're not being heard, and by pinning this thread it means it's easier to ignore. Complete cop out by WG here. 

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Imhidingshh #105 Posted 02 July 2015 - 08:47 AM

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View Postprimer31, on 02 July 2015 - 12:35 AM, said:

 

I hate to be the one to point this out. But it's also the same group of people who jump into those threads and defend arty. 

 

This isn't directed at you ruthless:

Whats the deal? Is the arty crowds enjoyment so much more important than our enjoyment of the game. It doesn't matter why we don't like arty. Just as it doesn't matter why you guys like arty. The fact is, we don't like arty. Our reasons are just as valid as yours. You can't sit there and expect your opinions to be the only ones listened to. I'll continue to express my opinion and I encourage others to do the same. But not just on this forum. Once I burn the remaining gold I have, i'm not spending any more money on this game. And I personally know others who are doing the same. When my opinion doesn't matter and an aspect of the game causes me to not enjoy is as much anymore, then I have no reason to support it anymore. Thats my opinion and my right. And rest assured, they may not care about  losing my money. But when the numbers fall, the company is going to start looking at why.

 

 

 

 

PAIN has said he wants more people to play Arty as its the least played class in the game, and the way to do that is to entice people with the massive Alpha. Personally I'd probably give it another go if it was more like AW. 

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View PostCaliMeatWagon, on 02 July 2015 - 12:58 AM, said:

 

Arty is more reliant on it's team then it is reliant on RNG.

 

Yes, but so are a lot of tanks. The difference is the amount it depends on RNG. 

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View PostImhidingshh, on 02 July 2015 - 02:50 AM, said:

 

Yes, but so are a lot of tanks. The difference is the amount it depends on RNG. 

yeah this is true just got my 21 cm on my g.w tiger p and its rng all day :bush:


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View PostcmStone, on 02 July 2015 - 01:26 AM, said:

What are the statistics?

 

 

What % per tier/game is arty?  What Is their contribution per game?  Kills/dmg/XP?


 

Are they dominating games when they are present, or just contributing like other vehicles, with varied results, like other vehicles?

I have changes I would like to see made on a case by case basis but without knowing how much of an influence they actually have on the game as a whole any suggested changes are ultimately uninformed speculation on my part.


 


 

 

For me, it's the way they affect the game flow, too many games now I've been smacked by RNG Arty whilst playing "Arty safe" for either all or the majority of my health. Then, as I still want to play I'm forced to fall back and try and help from distance, and in the meantime my team won't push because they saw what happened to me. Now this is also happening to the Reds that push and they get a love package from our Arty, they pull back and all of a sudden it's a game of "You die if you get spotted first". 


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View PostImhidingshh, on 02 July 2015 - 03:50 AM, said:

 

Yes, but so are a lot of tanks. The difference is the amount it depends on RNG. 

All tanks rely on RNG the same amount. I can sit 30 meters from a tank fire 4 shells at machine gun port completely aimed in and hit twice, both tanks stationary. Ever have a shot bounce in the same situation? Same thing. That shot that should of killed but left 80 hp on the tank, same thing.

 

Why players don't realize RNG screws everyone over equally is beyond me.


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View PostBlindedFoxhound, on 02 July 2015 - 05:19 AM, said:

 

 

Splash damage dosent have the ability to one shot lol.

 

Sometimes, I've been hit for 1000hp with splash from Arty. 

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View Postd0ntblink97, on 02 July 2015 - 08:41 AM, said:

 

they are? any links or places i can go to see >_>

 

That PC player Rita Gamer has a blog and she mentioned it there.

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View PostRuthless4u, on 02 July 2015 - 08:57 AM, said:

All tanks rely on RNG the same amount. I can sit 30 meters from a tank fire 4 shells at machine gun port completely aimed in and hit twice, both tanks stationary. Ever have a shot bounce in the same situation? Same thing. That shot that should of killed but left 80 hp on the tank, same thing.

 

Why players don't realize RNG screws everyone over equally is beyond me.

 

I know RNG affects everyone, I get seriously [edit] when my Obj 704 bounces off of 80mm of Tiger 1's side armour or the fact I've bounced off of 2 different low health WT-E100's (we have overmatch my butt).  but the difference between Arty and all others is LoS and flight time, there's more chance of RNG affecting an Arty round than another class. 

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View PostImhidingshh, on 02 July 2015 - 03:07 AM, said:

 

That PC player Rita Gamer has a blog and she mentioned it there.

 

oh ok i'll check it out, i watch rita livestreams all the time

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View PostImhidingshh, on 02 July 2015 - 04:11 AM, said:

 

I know RNG affects everyone, I get seriously [edit] when my Obj 704 bounces off of 80mm of Tiger 1's side armour or the fact I've bounced off of 2 different low health WT-E100's (we have overmatch my butt).  but the difference between Arty and all others is LoS and flight time, there's more chance of RNG affecting an Arty round than another class. 

Disagree. It seems like it affects arty more but in my opinion it does not. Same situation fire 4 shots at a stationary tank, 2 hit even fully aimed in.  The view and travel time give the impression of a difference.  take a running shot at a tank in another 100+ m away and do a damaging hit, all RNG. Tank player says skill in a normal tank, Lucky RNG with arty.


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View Postd0ntblink97, on 02 July 2015 - 09:13 AM, said:

 

oh ok i'll check it out, i watch rita livestreams all the time

 

And me, love how she says Tortoise. 

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View PostRuthless4u, on 02 July 2015 - 09:17 AM, said:

Disagree. It seems like it affects arty more but in my opinion it does not. Same situation fire 4 shots at a stationary tank, 2 hit even fully aimed in.  The view and travel time give the impression of a difference.  take a running shot at a tank in another 100+ m away and do a damaging hit, all RNG. Tank player says skill in a normal tank, Lucky RNG with arty.

 

Personally the skill in this game includes everything until you pull the trigger, then it's all RNG. It could be that an Arty round from the other side of the map has the same RNG as a 100m LoS shot from another class, I just see it differently. 

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View PostRabidSasquatch0, on 02 July 2015 - 12:19 AM, said:

its not magic...

I'm assuming you knew most of this, but calling it magic is a bit misleading.  

No, if by "magic"' you read stupidest game mechanic ever, that's exactly what I meant.   :facepalm:

...however, since losing or gaining a spot means your fired projectile no longer obeys the laws of physics,it is, in fact, the literal definition of magic.  

 

Arty fires over longer distances, with less accurate guns, so simple RNG doesn't bother me much (though nerfing ROF and shell flight speed in the name of balance kinda does), but the horribly programmed spotted/unspotted shell flight mechanic does.  I think many players mistake it for RNG.



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View PostImhidingshh, on 02 July 2015 - 04:00 AM, said:

 

Sometimes, I've been hit for 1000hp with splash from Arty. 

From what, in what?  My CGC averages only 1000 dmg a hit (was 35% of the time, when I could view it).  



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View PostMetalrodent, on 02 July 2015 - 01:57 AM, said:

OK my main view is that a lot of the higher tiered arty are simply over powered, getting hit for 1000+ of your health is not fun nor fair (yes they do have RNG and reloading to take into account) and it is extremely frustrating when you have a massive repair cost and very little xp due to one lucky shot from an arty single mindedly focused on hitting you. 

Effective DPM.  Arty has the least.  

 

My CGC, for instance, has just under 3300 POSSIBLE DPM, with an effective DPM of less than 1500 if it hits every shot.

 

At tier 10.  Yeah, so OP.  The horror, the horror.   



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View PostImhidingshh, on 02 July 2015 - 04:33 AM, said:

 

Personally the skill in this game includes everything until you pull the trigger, then it's all RNG. It could be that an Arty round from the other side of the map has the same RNG as a 100m LoS shot from another class, I just see it differently. 

I agree that skill goes out the window when you push the fire button. 


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