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[UR TANK SPLODED]

Great stuff as always thanks!  There is no point in potato bashing on the forums.  Anyone who is here is trying to get better and therefor not a problem.  While only 12 percent of us ever get above 50 percent, the vast majority play the game trying to win. No ammount of berating in chat or in hatemail will improve anything. It is the job of unicorns to carry.  Most winning teams have somebody with a High Caliber and 4 to 6 kills.

[KuroFelidae]

d0ntblink97, on 25 January 2016 - 01:47 PM, said:

 

also is-7 is meh, e-100 master race

 

IS-4 master race 

[JustAnAce]

d0ntblink97, on 25 January 2016 - 05:47 AM, said:

 

also is-7 is meh, e-100 master race

 

yup but I still love my E5 more

[EamonnanChnoic]

Gr4btharsHammer, on 25 January 2016 - 01:56 AM, said:

12.34% of the population has a greater than 50% win rate.

 

 

40k+ games and 50.54% win rate.

 

Finally something a blueberry aspiring green can stroke his e-peen about like the cool mean kids on the forum do.

 

May I humbly suggest that 83.64% of the population git gud because my win rate is better than theirs?

 

Yikes. That felt terrible. I'm going to go take a shower, say the rosary and ask Father O'Malley for forgiveness.

[Dr W0T]

I'm at peace with the seemingly irrational play I experience 43% of my games.  I just wish there was some way to balance the teams. Wins most of the time are as lop-sided as losses. The well fought battles seem to come infrequently but are well worth waiting for.  I wish there was more balanced play at tier 9 and 10 but unfortunately same as lower tiers which I guess makes sense as no skill based match making.

[UR TANK SPLODED]

EamonnanChnoic, on 25 January 2016 - 09:11 AM, said:

 

 

40k+ games and 50.54% win rate.

 

Finally something a blueberry aspiring green can stroke his e-peen about like the cool mean kids on the forum do.

 

May I humbly suggest that 83.64% of the population git gud because my win rate is better than theirs?

 

Yikes. That felt terrible. I'm going to go take a shower, say the rosary and ask Father O'Malley for forgiveness.

 

 

Feel the power of the Dark Side.....  <insert Star Wars meme>

[d0ntblink97]

JustAnAce, on 25 January 2016 - 08:03 AM, said:

 

yup but I still love my E5 more

 

yeah true, but 215b master race 

[IKickedUrBeaver]

Math isn't a strong suit of mine, but I'm assuming that  the top 52.28% that are average, includes the Good, Very Good, etc. players that are better than average?  Because those %'s add up to greater than 100%   

I have to imagine that the actual % that fall in the "average" range is much smaller.  Further, I have to imagine there's still an enormous % that are below average, poor, and downright abysmal.

[Reaper RUN]

I wouldn't say win more, 12 games lost in a row but I did more damage then anyone on either teams 10/12 games.

[SonataArctiica]

a flappin cod, on 25 January 2016 - 01:58 PM, said:

 

IS-4 master race 

 

loltraktor master race

[WOT Owl]

Three Snowshoes, on 25 January 2016 - 02:55 PM, said:

Math isn't a strong suit of mine, but I'm assuming that  the top 52.28% that are average, includes the Good, Very Good, etc. players that are better than average?  Because those %'s add up to greater than 100%   

I have to imagine that the actual % that fall in the "average" range is much smaller.  Further, I have to imagine there's still an enormous % that are below average, poor, and downright abysmal.

 

Yes. Its not the percentage that have that as their wn7 rating. Its the percentage of players your better then

[EamonnanChnoic]

UR TANK SPLODED, on 25 January 2016 - 09:37 AM, said:

Feel the power of the Dark Side.....  <insert Star Wars meme>

 

Lol! Darth Sploded!

[IKickedUrBeaver]

WOT Owl, on 25 January 2016 - 10:08 AM, said:

 

Yes. Its not the percentage that have that as their wn7 rating. Its the percentage of players your better then

So if you're "average", you're better than , half the people that play the game, and worse than the other half?  Give or take?

 

Man.  If I ever got a 50% mark in a class at school, and told my old man that my score was "average," I'd learn a whole new definition of pain and suffering.  lol

[ThermalStone]

Gr4btharsHammer, on 24 January 2016 - 11:46 PM, said:

 

Yes.  My standard is:  does it walk like a unicum (win percent)?  Quack like a unicum (damage)?  etc.  In this case, WN7 "checks out" as a valid instrument.  There is a very strong correlation between all of the performance metrics and the WN7 calculation.  

 

I was curious if there were a lot of "false unicums" on the console (i.e., is it easier to achieve unicum numbers on the console vs. the PC).  The good news is that it turns out that those classifications are valid for console, too!

 

For example, here is a regression run on the T34 for Expected Damage, base on WN7.  I ran these for all the tanks for damage, win rate and kills.  Everything checks out nicely.

 

 

Full image url is here:  http://i.imgur.com/pSmlVM5.png

 

this was the most fascinating part of the thread.  I'd like to see more of these charts.  There must be some tanks that have very different distributions.  I wonder if there are any tanks where no one has achieved purple WN7.

[Delta Neutral]

This also reveals that most board members are above average.  I rarely, if never, see yellow players on the boards, and yellow players are still top 50%.

 

Which means that the views here only represent a very small minority of players.  The so called 'unbalanced' tanks may very well be balanced when you take into account the entire WoT population especially when it comes to min/max tanks.

 

That is why WG is not in a hurry to rebalance tanks because you don't get to see the experiences of 50% of the population because they may very well greatly underperform in the tanks you overperform in.  That obviously is the nature of min/max tanks like Waffle or Borsig - good players can hid weaknesses and play to strengths.  Bad players just drive it and shoot targets.

Edited by Delta Neutral, 25 January 2016 - 03:36 PM.

[TangoThatAlpha]

Fantasist post Gr4btharsHammer. I'll admit I was really skeptical at some of your claims when I originally saw them, but darned if you didn't produce the evidence to support it. I'm shocked only about 12% of us have a win rate of over half.

 

Lately I've been trying to remain calm during games and not get all worked up when a team goes "full potato". Looking at the stats it appears as if a team always will for the most part. I guess the best thing I can do is just do the best I can and hope I can take up enough slack to counter the short comings of some of my team mates.

[WolfEagle1]

"Heck, only 12.34% of the population has a greater than 50% win rate."

 

if this is correct then the "average" player loses more games than wins and a higher (above average) WN rating does not necessarily translate into "winning" more.   Unicums aside, which metric is a better indicator of a good "overall"  player, WN7/8 or win rate?  I think WG's own global rating is a better overall indicator of player performance than WN.

[TYRION1v8CRIXUS]

Gr4btharsHammer, on 25 January 2016 - 03:24 AM, said:

 

Thanks, man!  I enjoy doing this stuff.  Part of what is so amazing about WoT is the subculture the players have created around it -- it's all part of the fun!

 

I wonder if it would be possible for you to check something. I've found that when I'm in a game with some very bad players and I check their stats many times they have like a 42% win ratio while afkers generally have a 48%... Now these bad players are not actively trying to mess up their team such as trolling and tking but they lose way more than afkers... It's almost like a bad player is a bigger detriment to the team than an afker... Maybe u could run a test and check the win percentage of players with a wn7/8 of less than 400 which means they're afking against ppl bet 500 and 700 or something like that

[FledBasher]

ShaggyCornet787, on 25 January 2016 - 10:02 AM, said:

 

loltraktor master race

 

here here

[Elite Corsair]

Wow, Nice post!

So does this mean (roughly by the numbers):

2,000 of 200k are super uni

4,600 are uni

and 13,900 are blue?

 

I wonder how many people are regular visitors to the forums and wot reddit?

We really are the minority of players on WOT console