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ThermalStone, on 25 January 2016 - 07:25 AM, said:

 

this was the most fascinating part of the thread.  I'd like to see more of these charts.  There must be some tanks that have very different distributions.  I wonder if there are any tanks where no one has achieved purple WN7.

 

ThermalStone -- all the charts are available on the web.  E-mail me at Gr4btharsHammer@gmail.com if you'd like to see them -- I don't share the url publicly because I want to keep the site user-base small.

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TangoThatAlpha, on 25 January 2016 - 08:12 AM, said:

Fantasist post Gr4btharsHammer. I'll admit I was really skeptical at some of your claims when I originally saw them, but darned if you didn't produce the evidence to support it. I'm shocked only about 12% of us have a win rate of over half.

 

Lately I've been trying to remain calm during games and not get all worked up when a team goes "full potato". Looking at the stats it appears as if a team always will for the most part. I guess the best thing I can do is just do the best I can and hope I can take up enough slack to counter the short comings of some of my team mates.

 

Yes -- I was hoping to give unicums some peace of mind with my post!  I know it's frustrating to play with less talented people, but unless there's some kind of "pro league" established, that is what is going to happen.  It's a public basketball court -- not a pro stadium!

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WolfEagle1, on 25 January 2016 - 08:19 AM, said:

"Heck, only 12.34% of the population has a greater than 50% win rate."

 

if this is correct then the "average" player loses more games than wins and a higher (above average) WN rating does not necessarily translate into "winning" more.   Unicums aside, which metric is a better indicator of a good "overall"  player, WN7/8 or win rate?  I think WG's own global rating is a better overall indicator of player performance than WN.

 

Win Rate is generally an excellent gauge of talent.  The biggest knock against it is when people platoon all the time.  A unicum can solo and produce 60%+ win rates though.  Simply amazing.

 

[WolfEagle1]

Gr4btharsHammer, on 25 January 2016 - 11:41 AM, said:

 

Win Rate is generally an excellent gauge of talent.  The biggest knock against it is when people platoon all the time.  A unicum can solo and produce 60%+ win rates though.  Simply amazing.

 

And so can a solo non-Unicum.  Point being there are other factors going on that WN7/8 does not measure which can lead to 60% win rates.

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TYRION1v8CRIXUS, on 25 January 2016 - 08:22 AM, said:

 

I wonder if it would be possible for you to check something. I've found that when I'm in a game with some very bad players and I check their stats many times they have like a 42% win ratio while afkers generally have a 48%... Now these bad players are not actively trying to mess up their team such as trolling and tking but they lose way more than afkers... It's almost like a bad player is a bigger detriment to the team than an afker... Maybe u could run a test and check the win percentage of players with a wn7/8 of less than 400 which means they're afking against ppl bet 500 and 700 or something like that

 

Good hypothesis, and I'm guessing it's correct.  When you have a troll on your team, he knocks out another player as well.

 

Here are the numbers:

 

5.38% of the population has a WN7 of 499 or below (very bad).  Their average win rate is 46.071%.

16.40% of the population has a WN7 of between 500 and 699 (bad).  Their average win rate is 47.43%.

25.93% of the population has a WN7 of between 700 and 899 (below average).  Their average win rate is 48.89%.

 

For reference, here is the color scale:  http://wiki.wneffici...ges/Color_Scale

 

 

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WolfEagle1, on 25 January 2016 - 09:49 AM, said:

And so can a solo non-Unicum.  Point being there are other factors gong on that WN7/8 does not measure which can lead to 60% win rates.

 

Yes, but these people are as rare as hen's teeth.  

 

Here are the numbers:  only 0.154842% (15% of 1%) of players have a WN7 less than or equal to 1849 (1 below unicum) and a win rate of 60% or greater.  The exact number is 0.001548425636269316.  

 

Edited by Gr4btharsHammer, 25 January 2016 - 06:12 PM.

[TheRoofis0nFire]

So we've finally got the statistical evidence that two third of this games' player base behaves like this:

 

 

Ok.

 

So where is the  skill-based matchmaking system that balances the amount of idiots between teams then?

It would help the game's longevity a lot

[KaiserVonKrieg]

TheRoofis0nFire, on 25 January 2016 - 01:02 PM, said:

So we've finally got the statistical evidence that two third of this games' player base behaves like this:

 

 

Ok.

 

So where is the  skill-based matchmaking system that balances the amount of idiots between teams then?

It would help the game's longevity a lot

 

Is this one of Tbown's videos?

Those Hotdogs got outplayed.

[theflash52]

KaiserVonKrieg, on 25 January 2016 - 06:03 PM, said:

 

Is this one of Tbown's videos?

Those Hotdogs got outplayed.

 

Ketchup bot op needs nerf. Reload to short.

[theflash52]

Hammer what is the percentage of players with a 2300 wn7 or better?

[TheRoofis0nFire]

theflash52, on 25 January 2016 - 07:05 PM, said:

 

Ketchup bot op needs nerf. Reload to short.

 

Seems to be a 'Chupträger auf E 100". Sorry, I couldn't resist

But his "playstyle" reminded me greatly of most waffle-player's skillset

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theflash52, on 25 January 2016 - 10:07 AM, said:

Hammer what is the percentage of players with a 2300 wn7 or better?

 

0.389% (0.00389071416219955)

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TheRoofis0nFire, on 25 January 2016 - 06:10 PM, said:

 

Seems to be a 'Chupträger auf E 100". Sorry, I couldn't resist

But his "playstyle" reminded me greatly of most waffle-player's skillset

 

Spray and pray?

[TheRoofis0nFire]

yep

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d0ntblink97, on 25 January 2016 - 01:25 PM, said:

 my opinion is being a great or Unicum player isn't hard. It just requires situational awareness and know,edge of tanks and map tactics. If you have that it isn't hard, at least it wasn't hard for me. Whenever I first checked my Wn8 it was 2570 and I didn't know what it meant but all I knew is I wanted to improve. 

 

You're spot on with tank knowledge. This is a knowledge game. My lack of it on weak spots on some of the less common tanks is a failing of mine. Most people know how to take out the AT series, for example. But tanks like the VK45's, SU100M1 or the French TD's sometimes catch me out... 

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Gr4btharsHammer, on 25 January 2016 - 12:01 PM, said:

 

Yes, but these people are as rare as hen's teeth.

 

Here are the numbers:  only 0.154842% (15% of 1%) of players have a WN7 less than or equal to 1849 (1 below unicum) and a win rate of 60% or greater.  The exact number is 0.001548425636269316.

 

 

I think you would have to compare overall stats vs current/recent stats.

Edited by killer etzi0, 25 January 2016 - 06:19 PM.

[theflash52]

Is it just me or does the % of super unicrums seem quite high? On pc super unicrum is 99.99th percentile but on here its the 99th percentile?

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theflash52, on 25 January 2016 - 10:21 AM, said:

Is it just me or does the % of super unicrums seem quite high? On pc super unicrum is 99.99th percentile but on here its the 99th percentile?

 

Yes(ish).  A Super Unicum on PC is (purportedly -- I haven't seen anyone produce numbers) in the top 99.90%, while a Super Unicum on console is top 98.98%.  

 

We might see a tightening of the skill bands once we have a reliable WN8 calculation -- something I'm working on.

 

Update:  I just ran the numbers -- if we want to apply the standard of 99.99% for Super Unicum, players need a WN7 of 2550 or greater.

Edited by Gr4btharsHammer, 25 January 2016 - 06:44 PM.

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Gr4btharsHammer, on 25 January 2016 - 06:31 PM, said:

 

Yes(ish).  A Super Unicum on PC is (purportedly -- I haven't seen anyone produce numbers) in the top 99.90%, while a Super Unicum on console is top 98.98%.

 

We might see a tightening of the skill bands once we have a reliable WN8 calculation -- something I'm working on.

 

Update:  I just ran the numbers -- if we want to apply the standard of 99.99% for Super Unicum, players need a WN7 of 2550 or greater.

 

Defining the percentiles and then figuring out the wn7 values is probably the best way.

Edited by theflash52, 25 January 2016 - 06:51 PM.

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Are unis that good or are there just that many potatoes???? Hmmmmmm....

Anyway, nice work!  I say it all the time, the game isn't and can't be balanced around unis.  All stats are dictated by the taters who actually do run this game.