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Gel4ssen #81 Posted 25 January 2016 - 07:01 PM

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View Posttheflash52, on 25 January 2016 - 10:51 AM, said:

 

Defining the percentiles and then figuring out the wn7 values is probably the best way.

 

Yes.  For that, we'd all have to agree on a new standard -- e.g., "WN7.c" and "WN8.c"

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only 12% of the people who play have over 50% W/L? Is this true or are you messing with us?

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theflash52 #83 Posted 25 January 2016 - 07:21 PM

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View PostGr4btharsHammer, on 25 January 2016 - 07:01 PM, said:

 

Yes.  For that, we'd all have to agree on a new standard -- e.g., "WN7.c" and "WN8.c"

 

 

 

 

How about this standard for percentiles.


Edited by theflash52, 25 January 2016 - 07:50 PM.

 

 

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View Postll SkagPipe ll, on 25 January 2016 - 01:56 PM, said:

Are unis that good or are there just that many potatoes???? Hmmmmmm....

Anyway, nice work! I say it all the time, the game isn't and can't be balanced around unis. All stats are dictated by the taters who actually do run this game.

 

View PostUSSWISCONSIN94, on 25 January 2016 - 02:02 PM, said:

only 12% of the people who play have over 50% W/L? Is this true or are you messing with us?

 

Theres just that many potatoes lol.

I know people who are barely super who are garbo regarding comps



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View PostKaiserVonKrieg, on 25 January 2016 - 02:24 PM, said:

 

 

Theres just that many potatoes lol.

I know people who are barely super who are garbo regarding comps

No one asked about comps.


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Gel4ssen #86 Posted 25 January 2016 - 07:33 PM

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View Posttheflash52, on 25 January 2016 - 11:21 AM, said:

 

 

 

 

 

How about this standard for percentiles.

 

Maybe we can get Stan over at Wotinfo to implement a separate scale for console players.  Maybe someone here has some pull with him?  I've only traded a few e-mails with him.  I have the data ready.

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View PostKaiserVonKrieg, on 25 January 2016 - 02:24 PM, said:

 

 

Theres just that many potatoes lol.

I know people who are barely super who are garbo regarding comps

 

Mmmm Potatoes.

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Anyone buddy buddy with Stan from wotinfo.net?

 

 

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I have uni monthly wn8, but blue wn7. On xbox, I play in platoon most of the time with some friends that are total kill courtesans. So on Xbox at least, the wn8 and wn7 scores I get don't correlate.


 

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View Posttheflash52, on 25 January 2016 - 02:21 PM, said:

 

 

 

 

How about this standard for percentiles.

I have a 51% win ratio and my WN8 is in the 1500's


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Matthew J35U5 #91 Posted 25 January 2016 - 08:03 PM

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View PostThree Snowshoes, on 25 January 2016 - 09:55 AM, said:

Math isn't a strong suit of mine, but I'm assuming that  the top 52.28% that are average, includes the Good, Very Good, etc. players that are better than average?  Because those %'s add up to greater than 100%   

I have to imagine that the actual % that fall in the "average" range is much smaller.  Further, I have to imagine there's still an enormous % that are below average, poor, and downright abysmal.

Its given by percentiles. (Though they're usually presented in the other way, 99th percentile vs 1%.)

View PostThree Snowshoes, on 25 January 2016 - 10:16 AM, said:

So if you're "average", you're better than , half the people that play the game, and worse than the other half?  Give or take?

 

Man.  If I ever got a 50% mark in a class at school, and told my old man that my score was "average," I'd learn a whole new definition of pain and suffering.  lol

If you got a 50% mark in a class at school, you'd almost certainly have a below average mark. I have had classes though, where the median test mark was 50%.  

View PostWolfEagle1, on 25 January 2016 - 11:19 AM, said:

"Heck, only 12.34% of the population has a greater than 50% win rate."

 

if this is correct then the "average" player loses more games than wins and a higher (above average) WN rating does not necessarily translate into "winning" more.   Unicums aside, which metric is a better indicator of a good "overall"  player, WN7/8 or win rate?  I think WG's own global rating is a better overall indicator of player performance than WN.

Not accounting for draws. I don't know what the numbers are for xbox, but on PC they're supposedly ~2% of games played.

View PostWolfEagle1, on 25 January 2016 - 12:49 PM, said:

And so can a solo non-Unicum.  Point being there are other factors gong on that WN7/8 does not measure which can lead to 60% win rates.

Almost by definition, a 60% solo-play player is a unicum. 

View PostGr4btharsHammer, on 25 January 2016 - 12:52 PM, said:

 

Good hypothesis, and I'm guessing it's correct.  When you have a troll on your team, he knocks out another player as well.

 

Here are the numbers:

 

5.38% of the population has a WN7 of 499 or below (very bad).  Their average win rate is 46.071%.

16.40% of the population has a WN7 of between 500 and 699 (bad).  Their average win rate is 47.43%.

25.93% of the population has a WN7 of between 700 and 899 (below average).  Their average win rate is 48.89%.

 

For reference, here is the color scale:  http://wiki.wneffici...ges/Color_Scale

 

 

Could you generate some numbers on the winrate population distribution?

View PostUSSWISCONSIN94, on 25 January 2016 - 02:02 PM, said:

only 12% of the people who play have over 50% W/L? Is this true or are you messing with us?

Doesn't seem impossible. With 15 players per team, individual contribution is rather dilute, unless you're very good, or platoon lots. 


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View PostTocFanKe4, on 25 January 2016 - 02:59 PM, said:

I have uni monthly wn8, but blue wn7. On xbox, I play in platoon most of the time with some friends that are total kill courtesans. So on Xbox at least, the wn8 and wn7 scores I get don't correlate.
 

Play more tier 10 TD's mixed with tier 2's. You get an average tier of 6 if you play a 1:1 ratio, and you can farm many kills in tier 2, while farming much damage in tier 10. Then you can have tier 6 average tier, with ~1.5 kpg, and ~1600 dpg without even trying that hard. 

 

Which is good enough for ~2100 wn8 assuming you get decent spots/defence points per game. 


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Gel4ssen #93 Posted 25 January 2016 - 08:13 PM

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View PostMatthew J35U5, on 25 January 2016 - 12:03 PM, said:

Could you generate some numbers on the winrate population distribution?

 

I can try -- Let me know how you want the data formatted, and I should be able to produce it.  A table of "brackets" would be the easiest to produce.

 



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View PostMatthew J35U5, on 25 January 2016 - 03:03 PM, said:

 

Doesn't seem impossible. With 15 players per team, individual contribution is rather dilute, unless you're very good, or platoon lots. 

 

I must be doing something right then. :)

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View PostMatthew J35U5, on 25 January 2016 - 12:11 PM, said:

Play more tier 10 TD's mixed with tier 2's. You get an average tier of 6 if you play a 1:1 ratio, and you can farm many kills in tier 2, while farming much damage in tier 10. Then you can have tier 6 average tier, with ~1.5 kpg, and ~1600 dpg without even trying that hard. 

 

Which is good enough for ~2100 wn8 assuming you get decent spots/defence points per game. 

 

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View PostGr4btharsHammer, on 25 January 2016 - 03:13 PM, said:

 

I can try -- Let me know how you want the data formatted, and I should be able to produce it.  A table of "brackets" would be the easiest to produce.

 

Brackets by percentile of the population would be good. While I'm submitting requests, could you also tell us the median winrate and average winrate?


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View PostGr4btharsHammer, on 25 January 2016 - 03:28 PM, said:

 

Yes!  And while you're at it, stick a sock down your pants and put a Ferrari logo to your Pontiac Fiero.  Nobody will ever know!  =)

A slightly more difficult option is to play a tier 5 premium instead of a tier 2, which gives you average tier 7.5, and with mere competence gives you ~2000 wn7. And you aren't even stat padding, you're just grinding credits to support your high-tier life-style.  ;)


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View PostMatthew J35U5, on 25 January 2016 - 12:29 PM, said:

Brackets by percentile of the population would be good. While I'm submitting requests, could you also tell us the median winrate and average winrate?

 

Here's what I have (players with > 1000 battles):

 

Median win = 48.06%

Average win = 50.0595401883268%

 

Please provide the brackets you want (i.e., an example)!  =)


Edited by Gr4btharsHammer, 25 January 2016 - 08:38 PM.


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View PostGr4btharsHammer, on 25 January 2016 - 03:36 PM, said:

 

Here's what I have (players with > 1000 battles):

 

Median win = 48.06%

Average win = 50.0595401883268%

 

Please provide the brackets you want (i.e., an example)!  =)

Ideally, I would want 0≤x<1, 1≤x<2, etc, but that would probably be too much trouble for no real benefit. Could 5% brackets be done? (0≤x<5, 5≤x<10, ..., 90≤x<95, 95≤x≤100)


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View PostMatthew J35U5, on 25 January 2016 - 12:43 PM, said:

Ideally, I would want 0≤x<1, 1≤x<2, etc, but that would probably be too much trouble for no real benefit. Could 5% brackets be done? (0≤x<5, 5≤x<10, ..., 90≤x<95, 95≤x≤100)

 

I'd like to see the fine-grained one, too.  I don't think it's much more work.  But, give me a bit on this one!  I'm doing real world work at the same time as responding to this thread.





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