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Kellen NA #1 Posted 15 February 2016 - 04:01 AM

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A month old, still a pretty good game that Id like to share. My highest damage game in th FV4202 and probably overall...:P

 

 

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RuefulCenturion #2 Posted 15 February 2016 - 05:54 AM

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Very nice. Congrats! :great: Imagine what you could have done with a better tank..... :trollface:

 

 


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Very nice game indeed. I'm still considering going down this tank line too and I don't understand why people say it is the worst medium. It doesn't have the best top speed, but other than that it is just as good as all the other mediums when played correctly.

 

 


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View Postdestroyer7575, on 15 February 2016 - 07:55 AM, said:

Very nice game indeed. I'm still considering going down this tank line too and I don't understand why people say it is the worst medium. It doesn't have the best top speed, but other than that it is just as good as all the other mediums when played correctly.

I don't get why people dislike this tank also, I mean the speed has never bothered me personally as the gun is just amazing. The worst medium is by far the 121.


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View Postdestroyer7575, on 15 February 2016 - 07:55 AM, said:

Very nice game indeed. I'm still considering going down this tank line too and I don't understand why people say it is the worst medium. It doesn't have the best top speed, but other than that it is just as good as all the other mediums when played correctly.

 

No, it's really not. It has good gun depression but the turret armor is very weak. The upper hull is good against other low profile meds but when aiming down on it, the angle is less and easily penetrated. Mobility is literally Worst in class. Gun is the only good thing.

 

Let's see. Armor? Really only beats the Leopard and Batchat, the armor is pretty darn weak. Speed? Worse than everything else. Gun? Pretty good, comparable with Patton and Leopard.

 

I would rather have a Patton in most situations.

 


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View PostThe Turkey Tank, on 15 February 2016 - 01:33 PM, said:

I don't get why people dislike this tank also, I mean the speed has never bothered me personally as the gun is just amazing. The worst medium is by far the 121.

 

Well the 121 is good besides gun handling, but it looks good compared to the FV4202. It's faster, has better armor, better alpha damage, albeit it does have much worse gun depression and gun handling.

 

If anything this shows that you can do well in any tank, despite how bad it may be in comparison. You can probably say that the Patton would do the same in the same situation. But it's regardless a good game.

 

Just because someone out there has done 4k damage in an ARL V39 doesn't mean it's not the worst tier 6 TD


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View PostIV NITROGYN VI, on 15 February 2016 - 01:43 PM, said:

 

No, it's really not. It has good gun depression but the turret armor is very weak. The upper hull is good against other low profile meds but when aiming down on it, the angle is less and easily penetrated. Mobility is literally Worst in class. Gun is the only good thing.

 

Let's see. Armor? Really only beats the Leopard and Batchat, the armor is pretty darn weak. Speed? Worse than everything else. Gun? Pretty good, comparable with Patton and Leopard.

 

I would rather have a Patton in most situations.

 

 

This. And even the gun wasn't very good from what I remember. Think it bloomed a lot if I remember correctly, and gold rounds aren't great either. ​The gun doesn't make up for the tank, the heavies have better guns and aren't much slower. It's just a pointless and underwhelming line.

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View PostRuefulCenturion, on 15 February 2016 - 01:50 PM, said:

 

This. And even the gun wasn't very good from what I remember. Think it bloomed a lot if I remember correctly, and gold rounds aren't great either. ​

 

I completely forgot about the gold rounds, yes yes yes. You don't have a round with extra penetration, you can't reliably pen the front of an E-100's turret like the other meds can with premium. You have a HESH shell that really doesn't work well on a tier 10 medium.

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View PostIV NITROGYN VI, on 15 February 2016 - 01:47 PM, said:

 

Well the 121 is good besides gun handling, but it looks good compared to the FV4202. It's faster, has better armor, better alpha damage, albeit it does have much worse gun depression and gun handling.

 

If anything this shows that you can do well in any tank, despite how bad it may be in comparison. You can probably say that the Patton would do the same in the same situation. But it's regardless a good game.

 

Just because someone out there has done 4k damage in an ARL V39 doesn't mean it's not the worst tier 6 TD

 

Honestly, everyone I've talked to who has the 121 hates it while I've talked to a lot of people who really like the 4202 because its a GOOD TANK.

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View PostIV NITROGYN VI, on 15 February 2016 - 01:55 PM, said:

 

I completely forgot about the gold rounds, yes yes yes. You don't have a round with extra penetration, you can't reliably pen the front of an E-100's turret like the other meds can with premium. You have a HESH shell that really doesn't work well on a tier 10 medium.

 

Oh no I can't easy mode through one tank. 268 pen isn't enough

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View PostThe Turkey Tank, on 15 February 2016 - 03:17 PM, said:

 

Oh no I can't easy mode through one tank. 268 pen isn't enough

 

It's not. Consider it what you want but premium ammo is a viable option for tough targets and it's often necessary to get that extra damage or that crucial kill. I would rather be safe loading premium.

 

Think about it this way. Every other tier 10 medium has the option of loading a shell with at least 300 mm of penetration to go through tough targets or secure kills. The FV4202 is the only one that doesn't and this makes it less competitive.


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View PostThe Turkey Tank, on 15 February 2016 - 03:16 PM, said:

 

Honestly, everyone I've talked to who has the 121 hates it while I've talked to a lot of people who really like the 4202 because its a GOOD TANK.

 

I know a few who have 121, mixed reviews. FV4202 same deal. I think the reason that the FV4202 seems better is because the gun is reliable, unlike the 121. The 121 has more reliable armor and mobility. The 121 is a brawler and the FV4202 a ridge sniper, very different.

 

And by the way, I'm not saying it's a bad tank, it's just worse than all other tier 10 mediums. All of the tier 10 mediums are good tanks in their own respects but the FV4202 just happens to be worse by comparison. STB-1 has gun depression as well but it's turret can bounce a shot, it also has more DPM despite worse gun handling. And the STB-1 has better mobility. M48 Patton has more mobility and slightly better armor with a comparable gun.

 

Sorry, I'm just saying that if you choose a ridgeline warrior, you choose STB-1 or maybe Patton.

If you choose a brawler, you pick E-50M or 430 (121 also an option)

You choose a speedy light-medium, you choose Leopard or autoloader Batchat

If you choose an all-around great medium with good DPM and armor (turret), you choose T-62A or 140.

 

The FV4202 doesn't stack up in comparison but it's good on its own. It's a decent ridge fighter, decent shooter, decent all rounder, but the worst-in-class mobility and unreliable armor let it down.


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View PostIV NITROGYN VI, on 15 February 2016 - 03:27 PM, said:

 

It's not. Consider it what you want but premium ammo is a viable option for tough targets and it's often necessary to get that extra damage or that crucial kill. I would rather be safe loading premium.

 

Think about it this way. Every other tier 10 medium has the option of loading a shell with at least 300 mm of penetration to go through tough targets or secure kills. The FV4202 is the only one that doesn't and this makes it less competitive.

I'm sorry, but if you can't make a tank with 268 pen and .31 accuracy pen every tank in the game frontally then maybe that player should just stick to firing easy mode HEAT out of Russian mediums


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View PostThe Turkey Tank, on 15 February 2016 - 03:35 PM, said:

I'm sorry, but if you can't make a tank with 268 pen and .31 accuracy pen every tank in the game frontally then maybe that player should just stick to firing easy mode HEAT out of Russian mediums

 

Let's get this straight, HEAT isn't that good a premium shell either, because of how it reacts with spaced and angled armor, but it's better than HESH with the penetration. The best direct upgrade is AP to APCR with increased penetration and shell velocity but since APCR is standard on soviet meds, you have to live with it.

 

I'm not saying you can't work with the standard ammo on the FV4202 either. You don't need premium in 99% of situations, just like the T-62A for example. But let's use the E-100's frontal turret for example. If he is using his gun depression and aiming right at you, you probably don't see turret ring and can't shoot that. That just leaves the rangefinding bar on the top of the tank, which is hard to hit. If the E-100 is moving and you need to take a clutch shot, your chances of hitting the bar and doing damage are slim. In the FV4202 this is your only option besides shooting the front of the turret and hoping for a high roll on penetration. On the T-62A you just load HEAT and guarantee it.

 

The premium ammo on most of the tier 10 meds is an assurance ammunition, if you need to secure a kill and make your shots count, you can do so. It's not "easy-mode", it's recognizing the situation and choosing to use your tank's advantages to win. I bet sometimes you wish you had that ability in the 4202 as well.


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View PostIV NITROGYN VI, on 15 February 2016 - 03:34 PM, said:

 

I know a few who have 121, mixed reviews. FV4202 same deal. I think the reason that the FV4202 seems better is because the gun is reliable, unlike the 121. The 121 has more reliable armor and mobility. The 121 is a brawler and the FV4202 a ridge sniper, very different.

 

And by the way, I'm not saying it's a bad tank, it's just worse than all other tier 10 mediums. All of the tier 10 mediums are good tanks in their own respects but the FV4202 just happens to be worse by comparison. STB-1 has gun depression as well but it's turret can bounce a shot, it also has more DPM despite worse gun handling. And the STB-1 has better mobility. M48 Patton has more mobility and slightly better armor with a comparable gun.

 

Sorry, I'm just saying that if you choose a ridgeline warrior, you choose STB-1 or maybe Patton.

If you choose a brawler, you pick E-50M or 430 (121 also an option)

You choose a speedy light-medium, you choose Leopard or autoloader Batchat

If you choose an all-around great medium with good DPM and armor (turret), you choose T-62A or 140.

 

The FV4202 doesn't stack up in comparison but it's good on its own. It's a decent ridge fighter, decent shooter, decent all rounder, but the worst-in-class mobility and unreliable armor let it down.

I still feel like the 121 is worse just because I'd rather have a medium that can actually pen and hit every shot plus armor in this game is nullified by all the prem rounds getting shot around.


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bruh FV4202 is in my opinion one of the best mediums in the game did you see that gun?its also very mobile.

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View PostThe Turkey Tank, on 15 February 2016 - 03:42 PM, said:

I still feel like the 121 is worse just because I'd rather have a medium that can actually pen and hit every shot plus armor in this game is nullified by all the prem rounds getting shot around.

 

True, 120 UFP is still penetrated with any 250+ pen gun at tier 10 and turret cheeks=premium spam

 

I honestly am on the fence about what is worse, a tank with decent armor and mobility but a bad gun or a tank with a decent gun and bad armor and mobility. Come to think of it at least you can do damage reliably on the FV4202 so I'll probably agree with you there. But if you can make the gun work somehow and penetrate your shots the 121 wins out by a hair.


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View PostMythicSphinx96, on 15 February 2016 - 03:43 PM, said:

bruh FV4202 is in my opinion one of the best mediums in the game did you see that gun?its also very mobile.

 

define "very"

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View PostIV NITROGYN VI, on 15 February 2016 - 03:46 PM, said:

 

define "very"

 

The top speed is bad, but the acceleration is very good.

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I love how this turned into a debate thread.:)

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