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Gallant Prime #1 Posted 05 October 2016 - 11:43 PM

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Looking at the Concealment ratings in the garage and I noticed the Centennial has a stationary concealment of .12 and a moving concealment of .12?  Is this right?  That means it moves like a light tank right (no loss of camo on moving)?

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Why does the Freedom have better moving concealment/camo than the SP? .18 vs .17

 

Also in general, a tank that has a lower value should be easier to see right?  Why do some smaller and lower tier tanks have values worse than higher tier tanks?  Jumbo better camo than a regular Sherman​ (read that backwards)  Pershing better than a Jumbo; KV-2 worse Russian heavy by far. 

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well 0.12 is still worse than a 4202 is moving so... 

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View PostGallant Prime, on 05 October 2016 - 06:43 PM, said:

Looking at the Concealment ratings in the garage and I noticed the Centennial has a stationary concealment of .12 and a moving concealment of .12?  Is this right?  That means it moves like a light tank right (no loss of camo on moving)?

 

Also in general, a tank that has a lower value should be easier to see right?  Why do some smaller and lower tier tanks have values worse than higher tier tanks?  Jumbo better camo than a regular Sherman; KV-2 worse Russian by far. 

See here:

http://forum-console...-in-the-garage/

 

I'm looking at the two Shermans in my garage now; the Jumbo has worse camo than the basic tier five Sherman. The Jumbo has S:20, M:15 and the regular Sherman has S: 23, M:17.

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View PostRedpilled Cynic, on 05 October 2016 - 05:57 PM, said:

 

I'm looking at the two Shermans in my garage now; the Jumbo has worse camo than the basic tier five Sherman. The Jumbo has S:20, M:15 and the regular Sherman has S: 23, M:17.

 

​Sorry read that wrong between the Jumbo and Sherman, but another example would be the Freedom SP have .23 and .18 and .23 and .17 respectively--both as good or better than the Sherman and better than the Jumbo.  Pershing and SP are the same.  The KV-2 was the one that really puzzled me the most because it is half of the other Russian heavies.

 


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View PostDe4thSt4lker206, on 05 October 2016 - 05:57 PM, said:

well 0.12 is still worse than a 4202 is moving so... 

 

​Ha--just noticed that.  Heavy tank range almost.

 


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The freedom has the same camo rating as a SPershing with camo paint.

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View PostKaitoGhost, on 05 October 2016 - 06:13 PM, said:

The freedom has the same camo rating as a SPershing with camo paint.

 

​Hmmm...the values in the garage are suppose to be base and they both show .23 for stationary for me.  Does that mean the SP actually ends up with better camo when you camo it?  So do all the Hero tanks then get nerfed camo when it is permanent?

 


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View PostGallant Prime, on 05 October 2016 - 06:16 PM, said:

 

​Hmmm...the values in the garage are suppose to be base and they both show .23 for stationary for me.  Does that mean the SP actually ends up with better camo when you camo it?  So do all the Hero tanks then get nerfed camo when it is permanent?

 

i think hero tanks base camo is boosted by the "Hero paint" (really just WGA saying that and boosting the raw stats) and WGA locks you out of buying camo, rather than applying a permanent camo for your tank. because it sounds like an overly complicated thing WGA would do...

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What's the T54 first prototypes camo on pc vs the motherlands camo on Xbox? That might answer the question?

EDIT: spell check once again I need to disable this most annoying auto correct I've ever seen >.<


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View PostMilldore, on 05 October 2016 - 06:22 PM, said:

What's the T54 first prototypes camo on pc vs the motherlands camo on Xbox? That might answer the question?

EDIT: spell check once again I need to disable this most annoying auto correct I've ever seen >.<

 

​Hmmm...well they don't have the camo factors for the T-54 First Proto on the Wiki--most other tanks but that one.  When looking at the SP it gives 13.4% stationary and 10% when moving so I am not sure if it would help if I did see it. 

 

View PostDe4thSt4lker206, on 05 October 2016 - 06:21 PM, said:

 

i think hero tanks base camo is boosted by the "Hero paint" (really just WGA saying that and boosting the raw stats) and WGA locks you out of buying camo, rather than applying a permanent camo for your tank. because it sounds like an overly complicated thing WGA would do...

But the SP and Freedom stationary camo is the same but the moving is better for the Freedom.  I don't really know what all this means, and I think I will have to assume the garage numbers need some tweaking.


 


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View PostKaitoGhost, on 05 October 2016 - 07:13 PM, said:

The freedom has the same camo rating as a SPershing with camo paint.

Correct, this is also why the T1E6-X1 (with permanent X1 camo) has higher concealment ratings than the T1E6X

 

View PostGallant Prime, on 05 October 2016 - 07:16 PM, said:

 

​Hmmm...the values in the garage are suppose to be base and they both show .23 for stationary for me.  Does that mean the SP actually ends up with better camo when you camo it?

it will equal out to the Freedom :)



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View PostGallant Prime, on 05 October 2016 - 07:43 PM, said:

Looking at the Concealment ratings in the garage and I noticed the Centennial has a stationary concealment of .12 and a moving concealment of .12?  Is this right?  That means it moves like a light tank right (no loss of camo on moving)?

..

 

Why does the Freedom have better moving concealment/camo than the SP? .18 vs .17

 

Also in general, a tank that has a lower value should be easier to see right?  Why do some smaller and lower tier tanks have values worse than higher tier tanks?  Jumbo better camo than a regular Sherman​ (read that backwards)  Pershing better than a Jumbo; KV-2 worse Russian heavy by far. 

See here:

http://forum-console...-in-the-garage/

The Freedom and Centenial have permanent camos already applied so they are already receiving it's came bonus, unlike a regular SP



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View Postleova, on 05 October 2016 - 07:05 PM, said:

Correct, this is also why the T1E6-X1 (with permanent X1 camo) has higher concealment ratings than the T1E6X

 

 

Well this is another weird one because while they have different stationary camo X1 being higher, they have the same while moving!

 

View Postleova, on 05 October 2016 - 07:05 PM, said:

it will equal out to the Freedom :)

Ok I am not sure if I am just not understanding what everyone else is saying or what.  I understand that the tanks with permanent camo should have higher base concealment, but while they may in one part (stationary or moving) they do not in the other part.  If stationary is higher, then so should moving right?  If moving is higher, then stationary should be higher as well right?


 


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Yes those are the individual  stats WG tweak for same tanks reskin deals. Now I am not knocking buying a few premiums. But those stats are for WG to decide. It is the tankers experience to go for freebies first. And yes if your a whale by all means buy supporting the game is good for all.. good luck all this next monster hunt looks real good for earning a choice free premium to any tankers garage


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Hey Max, I see you lurking there.  You're going to tell me the display values are not right, correct?

 

And Max has left the building...hopefully to find out.

 


Edited by Gallant Prime, 06 October 2016 - 01:53 AM.

 


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The answer is... Rounding! Tanks with permanent camo like Freedom, Motherland, and T1E6-X1 get a 5% bonus to all camo. If the value is sufficiently low, like while moving, you may not see a displayed difference due to rounding!

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View PostAPOPHIS1989, on 05 October 2016 - 08:06 PM, said:

The answer is... Rounding! Tanks with permanent camo like Freedom, Motherland, and T1E6-X1 get a 5% bonus to all camo. If the value is sufficiently low, like while moving, you may not see a displayed difference due to rounding!

 

At first when I saw your answer I thought I would have to punish you with this:

​Stop, collaborate and listen...

 

But I think you may have some merit there at least in regards to the moving value being the same--does not explain the SP/Freedom in my mind, but at least I can see it in the T-Rex's.


 





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