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Poll: Should Spall liner protect against HESH (41 members have cast votes)

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Should Spall liner protect against HESH

  1. Yes (29 votes [70.73%])

    Percentage of vote: 70.73%

  2. No (2 votes [4.88%])

    Percentage of vote: 4.88%

  3. Yes but at a reduced protection (3 votes [7.32%])

    Percentage of vote: 7.32%

  4. Spall what? (7 votes [17.07%])

    Percentage of vote: 17.07%

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AFT Hipp0 #1 Posted 17 October 2016 - 02:55 PM

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Turboclicker-x #2 Posted 17 October 2016 - 02:55 PM

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It already does, just not effectively.

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View PostTurboclicker, on 17 October 2016 - 02:55 PM, said:

It already does, just not effectively.

 

Should it be effective then?

Turboclicker-x #4 Posted 17 October 2016 - 03:02 PM

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View PostRAD Hippohunter, on 17 October 2016 - 09:56 AM, said:

 

Should it be effective then?

 

Probably.



StalinsChoice #5 Posted 17 October 2016 - 03:43 PM

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It does, well kinda. see the Spall Liner protects against explosions, from things such as HE. The thing about HESH is that it is HE, just with really good penetration. So as long as the shell doesn't pen, it will help protect against the explosion. If it pens however it won't help, as it does not protect against internal explosions. 

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View PostRAD Hippohunter, on 17 October 2016 - 08:56 AM, said:

 

Should it be effective then?

 

If youre paying upwards to 750000 silver I would want it to. ;P

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View PostStalinsChoice, on 17 October 2016 - 07:43 AM, said:

It does, well kinda. see the Spall Liner protects against explosions, from things such as HE. The thing about HESH is that it is HE, just with really good penetration. So as long as the shell doesn't pen, it will help protect against the explosion. If it pens however it won't help, as it does not protect against internal explosions. 

 

^^^ Spall only protects you from non penetrating HE shells. So HESH has more pen, which means it penetrates armor more often, negating the spall liner completely. 

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StalinsChoice #8 Posted 17 October 2016 - 06:19 PM

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View Postthetrans4mrz, on 17 October 2016 - 02:03 PM, said:

 

^^^ Spall only protects you from non penetrating HE shells. So HESH has more pen, which means it penetrates armor more often, negating the spall liner completely. 

 

I'd you read my post it says it protects you on non-penetration. 

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So, should a mechanic be added that Spall Liner reduces HESH penetration by X amount on top of the damage absorption?  Hmmmm.....

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Raster Master #10 Posted 18 October 2016 - 01:14 AM

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Technically, the way HESH "penetrates" is to knock chunks of armor off the inner surface of the armor (also known as... spall) at ballistic speeds, causing emotional events for crew and internal modules.  The shell just goes splat on the outside of the armor before it's detonator sets off the HE a millisecond later, transmitting that energy into the armor. Imagine the pendulum toy where only the pinballs on the end bounce back and forth, with the energy being transmitted through the balls in between without moving them.  A spall liner should mitigate the effects, to a degree, by absorbing some of that energy.  Unlike a HEAT shell slicing through the armor, or a shell with a hardened armor piercing cap or core.

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ricke813 #11 Posted 18 October 2016 - 01:24 AM

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No dont worry about HESH only 183 and 4005 got these "op" HESH rounds ;) and they could be nerfed to 230 pen?? But I dont care really. Sure the 183 is the most "op" tank in this game due to dmg per shell, dpm, okay armor, good view range, okay camo. But a nerf could make it really bad (as the foch155). Game is great as it is but some better matchmaking would be nice. Mabye need more players to be better but anyway thats the majority problem here ;):(

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It really should be effective against HE or HESH pen or not. The system can tell what sort of shell hits the tank as it has to know for how to apply Normalization. So it should increase the effective armor thickness against those kinds of shells all the time, seriously reducing the effectiveness of HE and maybe even making the stupid Deathstar HESH not penetrate occasionally. 

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View PostPit Friend, on 17 October 2016 - 08:03 PM, said:

It really should be effective against HE or HESH pen or not. The system can tell what sort of shell hits the tank as it has to know for how to apply Normalization. So it should increase the effective armor thickness against those kinds of shells all the time, seriously reducing the effectiveness of HE and maybe even making the stupid Deathstar HESH not penetrate occasionally. 

 

Agreed.  Spall liners should really help against HESH.   Please look into it, WG!

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No equiptment should give you complete immunity.

 

An analogy would be the difference between water proof vs water resistant.


 

 


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View PostSmokin D40, on 18 October 2016 - 11:46 AM, said:

No equiptment should give you complete immunity.

 

An analogy would be the difference between water proof vs water resistant.

 

Spall liners mitigate HE damage, so, in theory, similar mitigation should apply with HESH.  HESH's effectiveness against armor was a happy accident, as opposed to HEATs by-design armor piercing capabilities, and is more like a more effective version of how regular HE shells damage tanks.  Spall liners should eat some of the damage of HESH as it does with non-penetrating HE hits, since, technically, HESH shells never actually penetrate, but damage by causing spall from the inner surfaces of the armor like HE hits do (just more so).

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In reality HESH is abandoned because of development of spall liners!!! Lots of game mehanics are out of  real life scope. For example low profile vehicles has better view range then tall vehicles but keep lower cammo rating?!?

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Spall Liner is a piece of equipment that protects the tank, essentially, against explosive impacts. It's like having the interior of the tank lined with a padding, so HE rounds exploding on the exterior of the tank do less damage to the modules and crew inside the tank (and HP). What happens when a projectile penetrates the tank is completely out of the hands of a Liner, and if that projectile happens to explode inside the tank, that's also out of the job description of a Liner.

 

So no, Spall Liner shouldn't have any special property against HESH. And it does not.


Edited by BB Zero4, 19 October 2016 - 05:43 PM.


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View PostBB Zero4, on 19 October 2016 - 01:41 PM, said:

Spall Liner is a piece of equipment that protects the tank, essentially, against explosive impacts. It's like having the interior of the tank lined with a padding, so HE rounds exploding on the exterior of the tank do less damage to the modules and crew inside the tank (and HP). What happens when a projectile penetrates the tank is completely out of the hands of a Liner, and if that projectile happens to explode inside the tank, that's also out of the job description of a Liner.

 

So no, Spall Liner shouldn't have any special property against HESH. And it does not.

 

It does if the round doesn't penetrate.

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View PostBB Zero4, on 19 October 2016 - 10:41 AM, said:

Spall Liner is a piece of equipment that protects the tank, essentially, against explosive impacts. It's like having the interior of the tank lined with a padding, so HE rounds exploding on the exterior of the tank do less damage to the modules and crew inside the tank (and HP). What happens when a projectile penetrates the tank is completely out of the hands of a Liner, and if that projectile happens to explode inside the tank, that's also out of the job description of a Liner.

 

So no, Spall Liner shouldn't have any special property against HESH. And it does not.

 

HESH rounds don't actually penetrate.  In reality, they damage the same way a regular non-penetrating HE round does, only closer to a shaped-charge way.  HESH (High Explosive Squash Head) rounds are squishy and splat against hard surfaces,  like a paint ball, with an explosive surprise.  The US HEP rounds are similar, except the shell containing the explosives is actually plastic.

Edited by Raster Master, 20 October 2016 - 09:08 PM.

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