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Rare Tank Spotlight: Legion 59-Patton & Captured KV-1


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TIR3DSL0TH #61 Posted 05 December 2016 - 12:19 PM

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View PostUKB JAZ, on 05 December 2016 - 01:13 PM, said:

Am i the only who feels they made the KV-1 cheap and the Legion very over priced thus not actually making this a deal but rather allowing them to recoup their money on the 59's they sell over the KV-1?

 

Si. Thats the reason why Patton is not an option for me. Any bundle from WG is a worse bundle and their tactic to sell totally overprized bundles at the beginning and the tanks naked at the end is awful. So it is simple...since WG started to do this overprized bundles, I stopped to buy them. Thanks WG for save my money :honoring:

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View PostDUD3 L3B0W5KI, on 05 December 2016 - 05:19 AM, said:

 

Si. Thats the reason why Patton is not an option for me. Any bundle from WG is a worse bundle and their tactic to sell totally overprized bundles at the beginning and the tanks naked at the end is awful. So it is simple...since WG started to do this overprized bundles, I stopped to buy them. Thanks WG for save my money :honoring:

Yep, I was going to purchase the KV1c this morning. Not gonna do it at those rates in a bundle with a bunch of other garbage I don't need.

Oh, well, they missed an impulse buy from a tanker who normally does not buy premiums.



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What penetration values does the 59-Patton have in console? Can somebody who bought it confirm the values from garage?

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View PostsgtK80, on 05 December 2016 - 09:50 AM, said:

What penetration values does the 59-Patton have in console? Can somebody who bought it confirm the values from garage?

 

The penetration is 190 for the standard AP. The UI will display 173 in-game but this is a display issue only. :honoring:

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View PostDamnGunner, on 05 December 2016 - 08:27 AM, said:

Yep, I was going to purchase the KV1c this morning. Not gonna do it at those rates in a bundle with a bunch of other garbage I don't need.

Oh, well, they missed an impulse buy from a tanker who normally does not buy premiums.

 

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The only nice thing about the Legion-59 is the crew training XP bonus and the cross training (US + China). None of my Chinese or US tanks have the crew train bonus. Dec 23 the earliest for me as well, given I have 440 premium days already.

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View PostBoereJack, on 05 December 2016 - 02:49 AM, said:

 

just don't dismiss them, place them in reserve. so when you need a new crew, you can start training the first skill on all premium tanks until it is finished, then over train a bit, and your set for your new grind. or atleast that is what i do. 

any other way is imo a waste of a new crew and the 25k xp for 100%

 

Maybe I'm missing something obvious here, if I take an existing crew and put them into my brand new premium tank are they still 100% trained. But my "purchased" premium crew has to drop to 75% to move to a tech tree tank... and you think I should pay gold for the crew that comes with a premium tank? Sorry - in my opinion - that is some backwards logic.

 

I still see zero (gold) value in crews that come with premium tanks.

 

PS. I know all about over-training, I do it on every single move from one TT tank to the next in the lines... 


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View PostGreyhounds away, on 04 December 2016 - 06:52 PM, said:

Captured Tanks in WoT premium line.  For the WoT WG team, there are several inconsistencies or considerations on captured tanks that would be interesting for the WoT player community to provide feedback on and WoT to consider future mods or updates on.


 

With the introduction of the "KV-1 captured", there are now two captured Soviet tanks that can be crewed by either Soviet or German crews. The new "captured KV-1" sporting a German Balkenkreuz and a special camo. The Tier VI medium T-34-88 representing a rumored German modification of Soviet T-34s. Unfortunately this tank resides in the Soviet line even though it is marked with the German Balkenkreuz and can only sport Soviet camo skins and has Soviet numeral markings.


 

However, there are two other captured tanks in the German line representing captured French tanks that can only be crewed by German crews: the medium Pz.Kpfw. S35 739 (f) tank and the tier IV heavy Pz.Kpfw. B2 740 (f).  WoT correctly depicts these tanks with the German Balkenkreuz and German camo.  These two tanks would be great tanks to be able to be crewed by German and French crews (similar to the KV-1 and T-34-88) models.


 

Likewise the Soviet line has the Tier III TD SU-76I based on the German StuG III and PzKpfw III and the Tier V TD SU-85Ithat can only be crewed by Soviet crews and correctly depicts Soviet markings and camo.  Based on the T-34-88 model, these two tanks would be great tanks to consider supporting training of German and Soviet crews.


 

The French line contains the Tier III FCM 36 PaK 40 which represented the German modification of the FCM 36 light tank (Tier II in WoT); however, this German modification resides in the French line with French markings and camo and can only be crewed by French crews. This tank would fit better in the German line with German markings and camo and could likewise be able to support training of both German and French crews.

 

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View PostDarkVenator, on 05 December 2016 - 02:21 PM, said:

 

Maybe I'm missing something obvious here, if I take an existing crew and put them into my brand new premium tank are they still 100% trained. But my "purchased" premium crew has to drop to 75% to move to a tech tree tank... and you think I should pay gold for the crew that comes with a premium tank? Sorry - in my opinion - that is some backwards logic.

Its about the Crew's HOME TANK:

 

 

Crews can only have ONE "home tank", and that's a hard-and-fast rule. When you moved from M5 to T71 it reset the home tank to the T71, if you go back and forth you have to pay each time AND you lose 25% crew training

 

Premium tanks don't count, they act as "vacation homes" of sort that Crews can visit at any time without penalty

Crews that START on a Premium, like the ones that come with it, have NO home tank since Premiums don't count, so they will also have to be retrained when moving to a Regular tank

 

Keep 1 crew for each non-premium tank you have


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why does it say 190 pen on the stats sheet for the legion but in the packages its actually 173 pen



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^ ignore op just read why

 



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View PostGreyhounds away, on 04 December 2016 - 06:52 PM, said:

Captured Tanks in WoT premium line.  For the WoT WG team, there are several inconsistencies or considerations on captured tanks that would be interesting for the WoT player community to provide feedback on and WoT to consider future mods or updates on.

 

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The French line contains the Tier III FCM 36 PaK 40 which represented the German modification of the FCM 36 light tank (Tier II in WoT); however, this German modification resides in the French line with French markings and camo and can only be crewed by French crews. This tank would fit better in the German line with German markings and camo and could likewise be able to support training of both German and French crews.

 

Another example is the 105 leFH18B2, a german field howitzer mounted on a french B2 chassis. The inconsistencies in the handling of captured tanks results from the fact that some of those tanks where originally modeled in WoT PC and copied already inconsistently from there to the console (e.g. french tanks). While keeping these tanks yet unchanged the console later introduced the concept of double nation crew trainers for new captured tanks which is quite popular for console players but still does not seem to be planned for the PC so far.

 

A fix of the inconsistencies on the console would either result in a different handling of the tanks across the platforms or requires a common redesign on all platforms. I am not sure if this is to be expected soon.



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View PostDarkVenator, on 05 December 2016 - 02:21 PM, said:

 

Maybe I'm missing something obvious here, if I take an existing crew and put them into my brand new premium tank are they still 100% trained. But my "purchased" premium crew has to drop to 75% to move to a tech tree tank... and you think I should pay gold for the crew that comes with a premium tank? Sorry - in my opinion - that is some backwards logic.

 

I still see zero (gold) value in crews that come with premium tanks.

 

PS. I know all about over-training, I do it on every single move from one TT tank to the next in the lines... 

 

​Considering that any crew that comes with a premium tanks generally gets immediately bumped to the garage, I agree that they have absolutely zero value.

 

For the late purchaser, it costs 2,640 gold. Tank list price is 2,100, garage slot for 300, and unless there is something else included that is not shown (like premium ammo or something else) then apparently WG is saying that a 100% trained throwaway crew is "worth" 240 gold. Which I very much disagree with, and is actually making me reconsider getting it at all since I feel like I'm being ripped off (well, that and I already have a ton of Tier V premiums for both USSR and Germany, and don't really need​ another).



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it says the capt kv1 is worh 2100 gold yet i cant buy it for that its also saying 2650 on a diff screen cant buy for that either i dont need premium time or you pathetically overpriced bundle its adisgrace im considering giving up on you guys at wg are you child labour or what????????

 



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View PostWantedCashew881, on 07 December 2016 - 06:17 AM, said:

it says the capt kv1 is worh 2100 gold yet i cant buy it for that its also saying 2650 on a diff screen cant buy for that either i dont need premium time or you pathetically overpriced bundle its adisgrace im considering giving up on you guys at wg are you child labour or what????????

 

The lower prices are not available till later in the month

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View PostDarkVenator, on 05 December 2016 - 07:21 PM, said:

 

Maybe I'm missing something obvious here, if I take an existing crew and put them into my brand new premium tank are they still 100% trained. But my "purchased" premium crew has to drop to 75% to move to a tech tree tank... and you think I should pay gold for the crew that comes with a premium tank? Sorry - in my opinion - that is some backwards logic.

 

I still see zero (gold) value in crews that come with premium tanks.

 

PS. I know all about over-training, I do it on every single move from one TT tank to the next in the lines... 

 

​you get a 50% crew for free a 75% crew for 110k max in silver your logic is fine its the people that make the game that have none! why harly anyone plays the game i could make this game way more profitable as most people on this forum

 



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View PostSovietdeath, on 07 December 2016 - 11:23 AM, said:

The lower prices are not available till later in the month

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​thank u shuda read bk, its still stupid tho why the delay? because they want me to not be on xbox when it does and keep my money? or they not got any real logic? its the latter if ask me

 



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View PostWantedCashew881, on 07 December 2016 - 06:30 AM, said:

 

​thank u shuda read bk, its still stupid tho why the delay? because they want me to not be on xbox when it does and keep my money? or they not got any real logic? its the latter if ask me

 

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View PostEnjoyedLawyer, on 02 December 2016 - 03:43 PM, said:

Captured KV-1 doesn't make sense, how can Germans capture a tank (in it's current configuration) that never existed????

Also, the "Captured" KV-1 should get the German 7.5cm Kwk 43 mounted to it, it both makes sense and it would be much more attractive to buy, and there were rumours that Germans actually fitted a KV-1 with the 7.5cm gun

As far as I'm concerned, this is just a reskin of a KV-1.

Yea, there is KV-1B captured in WT. It has 75mm KwK 40 L/48 (110 pen and 110 dmg). So only what I will change it's rof from 15 to 16, aim time 2,4s and dispersion 0.39 (tank will be more unique). But this is WG decision what gun will be on which tank.

Diffrences between regular KV-1 and captured KV-1: HP 640 vs 650, engine power 500 vs 600 and weight 49.09 t vs 48,23 so captured one is more agile.






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