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LordAnonII #1 Posted 19 December 2016 - 08:05 AM

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The question is simple: How do I know if a bush is providing camo to my tank?

Background: Sand river originally had bushes which provided camo. These bushes were changed to swaying grass which now doesn't (provide camo).

A lot of the "newer" bushes/small trees are a lot thinner than before. 

So, do they provide camo to my tank? 

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Victimizeracing #2 Posted 19 December 2016 - 08:42 AM

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I never trust the bushes in this game, I've seen to many of them shoot at me.

SpartanFire71 #3 Posted 19 December 2016 - 09:07 AM

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The problem with the little bit of vegetation near base on sand river is that reds come from many angles, so even if it's providing some cammo, you will get spotted.  Better idea to push.  I like the J line but middle and opposite side is needed too.

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View PostLordAnonII, on 19 December 2016 - 02:05 AM, said:

The question is simple: How do I know if a bush is providing camo to my tank?

Background: Sand river originally had bushes which provided camo. These bushes were changed to swaying grass which now doesn't (provide camo).

A lot of the "newer" bushes/small trees are a lot thinner than before. 

So, do they provide camo to my tank? 

Thank you.

 

the do to an extent, but you need to be about 20 meters back to be safe(means when in sniper mode you can see thru the bush). Also you need full camo, 6th sense, green thumb, muffled shot, and maybe a camo net. If not the bush will probably be useless, and if you want more info go search wn8 an at the bottom of the page you'll see tank camo values for your tanks 

LordAnonII #5 Posted 19 December 2016 - 09:18 AM

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View PostKaystonian, on 19 December 2016 - 09:13 AM, said:

 

the do to an extent, but you need to be about 20 meters back to be safe(means when in sniper mode you can see thru the bush). Also you need full camo, 6th sense, green thumb, muffled shot, and maybe a camo net. If not the bush will probably be useless, and if you want more info go search wn8 an at the bottom of the page you'll see tank camo values for your tanks 

I can park in the bush in my 13 90 which provides camo. I am wanting to know how I can tell if a particular bush is providing camo or if (like sand river) it is purely cosmetic.


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LordAnonII #6 Posted 19 December 2016 - 09:18 AM

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View PostSpartanFire71, on 19 December 2016 - 09:07 AM, said:

The problem with the little bit of vegetation near base on sand river is that reds come from many angles, so even if it's providing some cammo, you will get spotted.  Better idea to push.  I like the J line but middle and opposite side is needed too.

Sand river was an example of the changes in bushes and not to do with positioning or play style.


3 MoE's: Tier V: M-7, Stug III G, SU 85 - Tier VI: AMX Chaffee, AMX 12-t, M4A3E8, VK30.01.D, VK.30.02.M, VK30.01.P, JPanz IV, T 34 85, T 34 88, A 43, Chi-To, Hellcat, MT-25, Fury - Tier VII: T-71, T-20, Panther, VK.30.02.D, T-43, AMX 13 75 - Tier VIII: AMX 13 90. T-44. - Tier IX: Leopard PTA, T-54.

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View PostLordAnonII, on 19 December 2016 - 03:18 AM, said:

I can park in the bush in my 13 90 which provides camo. I am wanting to know how I can tell if a particular bush is providing camo or if (like sand river) it is purely cosmetic.

 

simple if you are parked far enough behind the bush where zoomed in you can't see a thing until something is lt the bush is giving a camo that is as long as the reds are to your front. If they are in your sides maybe nit, but if you have 6th(which you  should in a light) then you know when your spotted.  Again go look up wn8 look up the camo for your tank an it'll tell an show ya the info your looking for. The bushes go up to a max 50%

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View PostLordAnonII, on 19 December 2016 - 09:18 AM, said:

I can park in the bush in my 13 90 which provides camo. I am wanting to know how I can tell if a particular bush is providing camo or if (like sand river) it is purely cosmetic.

 

from what I've experienced the ones that are purely cosmetic won't go transparent when you get close/sit in them.

View PostKaystonian, on 19 December 2016 - 09:27 AM, said:

 

simple if you are parked far enough behind the bush where zoomed in you can't see a thing until something is lt the bush is giving a camo that is as long as the reds are to your front. If they are in your sides maybe nit, but if you have 6th(which you  should in a light) then you know when your spotted.  Again go look up wn8 look up the camo for your tank an it'll tell an show ya the info your looking for. The bushes go up to a max 50%

 

 some of the bushes on Xbox One are purely graphical fluff and give no bonus as they don't exist on Xbox 360.

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LordAnonII #9 Posted 19 December 2016 - 10:39 AM

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View PostTempest fox3, on 19 December 2016 - 10:36 AM, said:

 

from what I've experienced the ones that are purely cosmetic won't go transparent when you get close/sit in them.

 

 some of the bushes on Xbox One are purely graphical fluff and give no bonus as they don't exist on Xbox 360.

This is the issue I guess ^. Problem of course is "testing" every bush just isn't feasible.


Edited by LordAnonII, 19 December 2016 - 10:39 AM.

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Better to be somewhat BEHIND the bush than sitting in it, with your cannon sticking out the front,

like so/too many noobs do.



 


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I had a bush catch fire while in it and then it had the gall to talk to me . Then i realize I had just blown up and i was still in game chat ...

UngainlyTitan1 #12 Posted 19 December 2016 - 01:13 PM

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As far as I know, there is no definitive answer to this question. The way I understand it is, the tanks base camo value + crew skills + tank camo + circumstances (i.e. bushes) add up to a negative modifier to a tanks spotting range. A tank will spot anything within its spotting range - the total camo value of anything with in the max range.  To a minimum of 50 meters.

 

so you can be maxed out on camo bushes and all an a tank with very good spotting will spot you if it gets close enough. Close enough varies by tank.



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There are maybe half a dozen bushes in the entire game big enough to to conceal a tank and actually in a position worth using. The opertunity to use them comes up so rarely that I pretty much just assume none of them work and find other ways to be productive.

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View PostBike54, on 19 December 2016 - 01:00 PM, said:

Better to be somewhat BEHIND the bush than sitting in it, with your cannon sticking out the front,

like so/too many noobs do.

Cannon is not part of the detection process. Therefore as long as no other parts of your tank are outside the bush, it works.


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View PostCorrupted Ewok, on 19 December 2016 - 01:21 PM, said:

There are maybe half a dozen bushes in the entire game big enough to to conceal a tank and actually in a position worth using. The opertunity to use them comes up so rarely that I pretty much just assume none of them work and find other ways to be productive.

The 13 90 is v small and can hide in remarkably small bushes.

For example, it can sit in the middle of the field in Mali with v little danger of detection.


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View PostLordAnonII, on 19 December 2016 - 02:05 AM, said:

The question is simple: How do I know if a bush is providing camo to my tank?

Background: Sand river originally had bushes which provided camo. These bushes were changed to swaying grass which now doesn't (provide camo).

A lot of the "newer" bushes/small trees are a lot thinner than before.

So, do they provide camo to my tank?

Thank you.

 

Great question...Sadly, I have found out that there are some bushes that are just mirages, while others seem to have magical powers. It would be nice if there was a consistent application of bushiness for like sized bushes.


 


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Sorry, concealment has become a joke due several factors, including lack of foliage.  My advice is to stay away from tanks that rely upon concealment.  If you want to play lights, use them for maneuverability and flanking, i.e., damage dealing; if you expect to stay hidden you are going to have a bad time.  

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View PostEvil-Stalker-, on 19 December 2016 - 07:06 AM, said:

I had a bush catch fire while in it and then it had the gall to talk to me . Then i realize I had just blown up and i was still in game chat ...

 

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View PostUngainlyTitan1, on 19 December 2016 - 07:13 AM, said:

As far as I know, there is no definitive answer to this question. The way I understand it is, the tanks base camo value + crew skills + tank camo + circumstances (i.e. bushes) add up to a negative modifier to a tanks spotting range. A tank will spot anything within its spotting range - the total camo value of anything with in the max range.  To a minimum of 50 meters.

 

so you can be maxed out on camo bushes and all an a tank with very good spotting will spot you if it gets close enough. Close enough varies by tank.

 

Also, when you fire it increases the odds of you being spotted, even while camouflaged I believe.

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View PostBike54, on 19 December 2016 - 01:00 PM, said:

Better to be somewhat BEHIND the bush than sitting in it, with your cannon sticking out the front,

like so/too many noobs do.

 

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