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Cosm1c ZED #1 Posted 20 January 2017 - 06:35 PM

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OK just looking for some encouraging advice here.  That the AMX50B is THAT much better than it's tier IX predecessor.

I enjoyed the American  auto loaders and the T57 rocks, it's not invincible but is just a lot of fun. So I figured why not the French auto heavy line.

The Tier VIII was actually a fun tank to play but the next step up feels like 3 steps back.  Yes it's mobile but it's huge, easily seen, can't take a hit from ANYTHING. ( If someone looks at it wrong it gets ammo racked.) As good as the gun stats look  it is severely handicapped with a long re-aim time and load time,  between shots.

So Frenchie drivers, is it worth the push for the AMX50B? 

    



Unreliable Dave #2 Posted 22 January 2017 - 04:49 AM

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The AMX 50 B is a great tank, far better improvement than the 50 120. First off, it's acceleration is WAY better than it's predecessor with the 1200 horsey engine, as well as better terrain resistances too. But I'm pretty sure that you care about that gun more. Yes, the gun gets way better, about 2-2.5 seconds in between shells compared to 3.33 sec that the 120 had. The clip reload also goes down from 35 to 30 seconds, but with BiA, I got my reload down to 28ish. However, the ADS for each shell is 3 sec compared to the 120's 2.7, BUT that ADS buff will be coming soon to equal them out. Overall man, I love playing my 50 B in countless matches, but you just have to remember to play passive-aggressive, and you'll do great! Good luck with the grind and tank it out!

Splattereyeball #3 Posted 22 January 2017 - 11:58 AM

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I'm about to start this grind, so I've being trying it out in proving grounds. Stock tier 7's pen this thing easily it would seem, and I rarely see it do well in battle either. Really looking forward to this lol.:harp:

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View PostSplattereyeball, on 22 January 2017 - 11:58 AM, said:

Stock tier 7's pen this thing easily it would seem,

 

 

So. French armour working as intended! Also, the last heavy you play that has workable armour you can rely on sometimes is the ARL 44. And that's a stretch. 

 

I hated the 50 120. The gun elevation was crap, the inter-clip cycle was frustrating, losing my gun or ammo rack when those birds fly out the bushes too close to you got tedious after a while etc. It was accurate though, and it got to places it needed to at a reasonable pace. But the 50B is a definite improvement so stick in there.


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fartless #5 Posted 11 March 2017 - 12:31 PM

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The amx 50b is not what it should, it got 2.5 sec between shots, however compare to the 50 120 that has 2.7 sec aim, the amx 50b has far worse aimtime at 3sec, to make it even worse it got a hidden Gun recoil disp penalty that take it close to 4 sec to fully aim after a shot.

Amx 50b is a parhetic piece of crap, the only upside is its speed, its huge, bad camo, bad aim bad dpm, go t57 or b-c 25t instead.

however if wargaming gets there thumbs out of there """" and bring us the pc buffs then i gues it Will get its proper place in matches



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Everything good about the AMX 50 120 (which can be a great tank when played carefully), is made better on the AMX 50 B. I have just unlocked the AMX 50 B today, and in the first game I did 5,000 damage fairly easy, since the gun's inter-clip reload is so much better than on the AMX 50 120, making it easier to do more damage quickly, then go back into cover when you need to reload. Furthermore, the AMX 50 B does not have the gun elevation/depression issues that the AMX 50 120 had, making it much easier to fire over hills and such.

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Big Yeash #7 Posted 20 March 2017 - 06:50 PM

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The AMX 50 120 has 60mm of side armour, so it can sidescrape, weirdly. Sadly, the 50B downgrades its hull armour to a mere 30mm, so there is that.

 

I'm currently grinding the 50 120 and really struggling. I just can't play it at all, even though I was okay-good in the 50 100. 

Even though the two tanks are sharing the same gun - I used to find in the 50 100 my problem was penetrating targets when I fired at them. In the 50 120, it's living long enough to penetrate targets. I almost got to two-marks during the French March Madness weekend and had a 28% survival rate. I'm slowly bringing up the 50 120's but it's only at 12%; 6 survived matches out of 52 played.

 

I do carry APCR, 12 rounds in the 50 100 and 18 in the 50 120, and if it's a heavy Tier X game then I'll load those magazines out the gate.

Even when top tier, I'm struggling. I am however about to unlock the top engine and suspension.

 

The increased reload over the 50 100 is an immediate boon. Going from 50s to 35s base (46s to 32.5s with BIA) reload for those six rounds helps a lot in the whole "staying alive" thing, so long as you survive unloading your first mag.


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Big Yeash #8 Posted 20 March 2017 - 10:14 PM

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Okay, researching and installing the Sauer engine and upgraded suspension have made an immense improvement in how the tank feels to play, and my ability to stay alive and fight.

17hp/t in a 60t chassis doing 65kph. Pretty deadly.


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View PostBig Yeash, on 21 March 2017 - 06:14 AM, said:

Okay, researching and installing the Sauer engine and upgraded suspension have made an immense improvement in how the tank feels to play, and my ability to stay alive and fight.

17hp/t in a 60t chassis doing 65kph. Pretty deadly.

I am also grinding for the 120mm. I think the main reason that this tank feels more difficult to play well than the 50 100 is the inter-clip reload and the size. 50 100 is by no mean small, but the 50 120 is a freaking house. Tier IX guns also have much more alpha, and the 50 100 doesn't see tier IX every game like the 50 120.

 

But like you said, the 50 120 is much more mobile with the upgraded engine and tracks, the much shorter reload is great. 



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In short, the 50B is better due to soft stats that you can see in game and then in 3rd party sites.  For example the bloom the of the gun between shoots, moving turret, etc that you do not see in the game; are better.

 

If you are coming from the Americans thinking the French will be the 'same', word of WARNING it IS NOT THE SAME.  The Americans have better in between shots and reload.  Meaning (again something you have to go to 3rd party sites) the Americans can dump the clip and aim while dumping clip quicker than the French.  Moreover, yes the Americans have armor, the French due to PtW (again 3rd party) can start ramming while reloading (or you have been caught in an 'oh crap moment' ) to buy time if needed.  


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View Postalex0lok, on 21 March 2017 - 12:43 AM, said:

I am also grinding for the 120mm. I think the main reason that this tank feels more difficult to play well than the 50 100 is the inter-clip reload and the size. 50 100 is by no mean small, but the 50 120 is a freaking house. Tier IX guns also have much more alpha, and the 50 100 doesn't see tier IX every game like the 50 120.

 

But like you said, the 50 120 is much more mobile with the upgraded engine and tracks, the much shorter reload is great. 

 

I think the 50 120 actually has a slightly reduced (if it all) inter-clip reload on the 100mm gun, it's certainly no longer than on the 50 100, and features a better aim time than on the Tier VIII.

 

When you think about it - there are arguments suggesting the 100mm and 120mm guns are quite evenly matched. The 120mm gun has a long interclip reload and only four shells - so both clips will empty in the same length of time, though the 100 has 200 more alpha in its burst (1800 to 1600). Still looking forward to it.

 

It don't find the 50 120's size an enormous issue (pardon the pun), it's not much bigger than the 50 100 before it (though of course, slightly is). Its turret face is slightly better protected to compensate, as is its gun depression.


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Just got the AMX 50 100 today. Its a nice change compared to the differing play style other heavy lines in the game. What are you guys using for equipment??? I'm currently running EGLD, vertical stabilizer, and vents. I might try swapping vents with optics or a binocular telescope and see how that goes...

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View Postboomerkid91, on 27 March 2017 - 07:02 AM, said:

Just got the AMX 50 100 today. Its a nice change compared to the differing play style other heavy lines in the game. What are you guys using for equipment??? I'm currently running EGLD, vertical stabilizer, and vents. I might try swapping vents with optics or a binocular telescope and see how that goes...

Did the same on the 50 100 and now the 50 120 - Vents, GLD, Vert Stab

 

Autoloaders are all about the gun and that burst, so do everything to make sure you hit and pen. You shouldn't be spotting targets, French heavies are big and you should always stick with teammates. 






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