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Should the Chieftain get a armor buff ?


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LUCAS BARR #21 Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:23 AM

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View PostBrogueOne, on 19 March 2017 - 11:28 PM, said:

Never played one but I've played against them. It doesn't need any help in the armor department. When played right they can be exceedingly difficult to face head on

I understand they're best played more like mediums.

 

ya know im really tired of hearing this from so many not number 1 players on here,that if a tank "is played right" its just fine. no,the fact is tier 10 heavies shouldnt have 90 mm frontal armor ever. especially when lower tiers have more.


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View PostLUCAS BARR, on 20 March 2017 - 12:23 AM, said:

 

ya know im really tired of hearing this from so many not number 1 players on here,that if a tank "is played right" its just fine. no,the fact is tier 10 heavies shouldnt have 90 mm frontal armor ever. especially when lower tiers have more.

Preach it.



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This tank is a letdown imo... Either give it better mobility or better frontal armor

 

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jkblackhawk #24 Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:46 AM

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Like i said make them both faster and stronger And shoot better And kill autoloaders

MechanicKarma97 #25 Posted 20 March 2017 - 12:56 AM

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Yes it should, I did a post about this a few months ago where I got into detail, I'll leave a link to it. Anyway the cheiftain Mk6 deserves a major buff, the most prominent being in the turret, I'd give it 232mm in the turret which would be a 37mm buff. For the lower plate I'd buff I'd buff it to 125mm which would be a 50mm buff. I'd also buff it's side armor to around 160mm effective including the tracks. Historically the cheiftain had better armor than a T10 and M60A1, I see no reason to not give it that. Link to other thread: http://forum-console.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/165905-chieftain-mk6-buff-proposal/page__p__3443851#entry3443851

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View Postjkblackhawk, on 19 March 2017 - 06:46 PM, said:

Like i said make them both faster and stronger And shoot better And kill autoloaders

Show me on the tank where the bad autoloader touched you:

 



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Ive never played one so I don't know much stats wise on that tank. 

But I've played against many and I would say no, they can be a handful to deal with.


 

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jkblackhawk #28 Posted 20 March 2017 - 02:01 AM

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Lol I tried to push it out of my mind@&()&@!@

animatethant #29 Posted 20 March 2017 - 02:09 AM

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IMO, nope. 

 

it's a beast, high skill ceiling tank. 

 

If you're out in the open with the Chieftain, that's your fault. 

 

If you're not hiding your lower plate properly, then that's your fault. 

 

If you are hull down then you rule the battlefield. 

 

I'd rather face a hull down e5 than a Chieftain ... really.



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View Postanimatethant, on 20 March 2017 - 02:09 AM, said:

IMO, nope. 

 

it's a beast, high skill ceiling tank. 

 

If you're out in the open with the Chieftain, that's your fault. 

 

If you're not hiding your lower plate properly, then that's your fault. 

 

If you are hull down then you rule the battlefield. 

 

I'd rather face a hull down e5 than a Chieftain ... really.

Yes because it's always the players fault when they get a wide open map right ? Oh wait I'll go hull down over here oh no I got killed by artillery . Yea sure you tell yourself that 



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View Postanimatethant, on 20 March 2017 - 03:09 AM, said:

IMO, nope. 

 

it's a beast, high skill ceiling tank. 

 

If you're out in the open with the Chieftain, that's your fault. 

 

If you're not hiding your lower plate properly, then that's your fault. 

 

If you are hull down then you rule the battlefield. 

 

I'd rather face a hull down e5 than a Chieftain ... really.

 

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View PostSGT Hawkens117, on 19 March 2017 - 06:14 PM, said:

Yes because it's always the players fault when they get a wide open map right ? Oh wait I'll go hull down over here oh no I got killed by artillery . Yea sure you tell yourself that 

 

well, i'll be honest here. 

 

map. 

arty.

teams. 

 

whenever I scan the roster and see a known good player in a Chieftain, they almost always beast the game and i'm like "I want whatever he's smokin'!" ...

whenever I see a player do really poorly in a Chieftain and i'm curious to stat-look ... it's always the same. 

 

good players say it's a beast and say "lol, nope" ... i'll let you figure out the rest. 



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View PostRagingxMarmoset, on 19 March 2017 - 07:58 PM, said:

Show me on the tank where the bad autoloader touched you:

 

 

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View Postanimatethant, on 20 March 2017 - 03:12 AM, said:

 

well, i'll be honest here. 

 

map. 

arty.

teams. 

 

whenever I scan the roster and see a known good player in a Chieftain, they almost always beast the game and i'm like "I want whatever he's smokin'!" ...

whenever I see a player do really poorly in a Chieftain and i'm curious to stat-look ... it's always the same. 

 

good players say it's a beast and say "lol, nope" ... i'll let you figure out the rest. 

I have had good games but people spam prem at the turret and arty loves the mk6. I like the tank but it needs more armor.



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View PostSGT Hawkens117, on 19 March 2017 - 07:17 PM, said:

I have had good games but people spam prem at the turret and arty loves the mk6. I like the tank but it needs more armor.

 Not trying to argue.

 

Just saying that while the chieftain ain't perfect it's got a really high ceiling that really isn't that limited by the current meta. Just limited by player skills. 

 

Some situations you have to work a little harder but the ceiling is still very high. 

 

If I get blown up in it I immediately think "I've got to do better..." instead of thinking "this tank needs a buff ..." 

 

The chieftain with an armor buff would be just be imbalancing. You'd have to nerf the gun handling an unknown amount. 



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View Postanimatethant, on 20 March 2017 - 03:38 AM, said:

 Not trying to argue.

 

Just saying that while the chieftain ain't perfect it's got a really high ceiling that really isn't that limited by the current meta. Just limited by player skills. 

 

Some situations you have to work a little harder but the ceiling is still very high. 

 

If I get blown up in it I immediately think "I've got to do better..." instead of thinking "this tank needs a buff ..." 

 

The chieftain with an armor buff would be just be imbalancing. You'd have to nerf the gun handling an unknown amount. 

I have been playing it since it came out and I have noticed the turret has gotten weaker so they need to buff it back up or make it to where the hull can actually be used without hull down and it would still be balanced because the sides are weak as can Be and if you want to talk about a imbalanced tank the T110E5 is a unbalanced tank. 



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It doesn't need a buff. It's already a crazy strong tank as it is.

 

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A tank that shoots APCR 120mm rounds, every what? 6 seconds? For 400 damage, with 270 standard penetration... I don't know man. I dont know. I'd love a gun like that, on a some what useable turret. Better than the M103, which I liked.

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View PostNightOfDeaths, on 20 March 2017 - 04:54 AM, said:

A tank that shoots APCR 120mm rounds, every what? 6 seconds? For 400 damage, with 270 standard penetration... I don't know man. I dont know. I'd love a gun like that, on a some what useable turret. Better than the M103, which I liked.

 

It's got the exact same DPM as an Object 140, to the decimal point, to be specific about it's guns capabilities.

 

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It was a question about the armor not the gun We all know it has a good gun.




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