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KillerDNA #41 Posted 20 March 2017 - 05:20 PM

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don't forget that running cola is going to augment your crew skills like camo and smooth ride.

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My AMX 12 t has binoculars and camonets on it. My view range with this setup exceeds my detection range by 50m or so, but i've always liked passive scouting more anyway, so idk if this setup would work for you TC.

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View PostKillerDNA, on 20 March 2017 - 12:20 PM, said:

don't forget that running cola is going to augment your crew skills like camo and smooth ride.

 

 

I put Cola in the tank this morning...ran one without it and one with it...I think that will make the difference I'm looking for in the long run rather than adding binos to the Lycan. I just don't want to give up my stabs, optics, or vents. I certainly don't want to give up two of them for binos/net


 

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I only run binos + optics in ELC because it has poorish view range light tank wise; it's at a cost; I would really rather have GLD there and I break my rule putting both on one tank.  Other lights all have sit awareness, recon and BIA.  Add in optics (and vents and premium food for some of them ) that pushes them well past the max view range.  Would binoculars help sometimes by stripping camo values off sneaky tanks at max distance? Maybe, but with the maps we have the chances of them making a difference in one game out of 20 or so for maybe one situation is not worth dropping out another piece of equipment that could be useful on any map.  

 

I don't run nets in my lights though; I figure the bush is my net if I'm parked long enough for it to activate.


                                       


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Not a great light player, but my only three marked light was the 1390 with binocs, camo net, and vents. Also ran food at the end and had camo and spotting perks. Never bothered equipping camo pattern on it. I am that dirty little bastard that will try to get to an advanced position and passive scout for awhile and then switch to active if denied or the situation calls for it.Sometimes I feel bad/dirty.........

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View PostAngryD567, on 20 March 2017 - 07:00 AM, said:

High tier lights (6+) should use optics rather than binocs. This is because at the high tiers heavies and TDs have ridiculous view ranges so you will rarely get the chance to sit in a bush and spot. However at the lower tiers binocs are better because potatoes.

Binocs work just fine in high tiers. The problem with high tier light tanks is the David vs Goliath mentality. People think its more impressive to top the boards in a light tank than any other tank, and no one knows how to spot anymore, so they all just try to get damage. The reality is that high tier lights are the easiest to top the boards because your experience gain is massively inflated compared to the tanks you are facing. So its really damn easy to look like you carried when you really didn't do ****, and was just leaching the whole game and end up looking like a "hero" at the end. (T49 we can thank them for that).

View PostEamonnanChnoic, on 20 March 2017 - 08:08 AM, said:

Someone bird related (turkey, owl, etc.) once said that Light Tanks shouldn't stop moving anyway, so binoculars are useless on them.

Because someone says they're useless, doesn't mean they are. The problem with binocs is that certain maps renders some of your equipment nearly useless. Finding somewhere where you can actively contribute with binocs on somewhere like Himmelsdorf, Ensk, Siegfriend Line.. It just makes it as if you were missing an equipment slot. But then you get maps like Mali, Prok, Dukla where your binocs will prove more useful than the guy with coated optics who keeps getting spotted as he tries to crest a hill. Right now we have a lot of maps that favor the optics, especially when we play Dragon Ridge every other match , and there is almost no where that you can keep people lit with all the cover available.


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As few maps seem suited to passive scouting I don't bother with Binocs or Camo Nets on Lights. They don't work when active scouting or attacking things and the Optics will still work decently when I do find a decent place to sit still and spot from. 

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Looking at your stats in comparison to Turkey's, I would say you need more damage--you are about 400 less on average than him in his T71 and about 1000 less than his Lycan, but you have more spots per game than his T71.  Now his may be the high-water mark.  Might be worth looking at some of the other stat sites to compare some of the good light tankers to see if there is something in your game to look at--like average game life.  (Now spots don't necessary translate to spotted targets hit but given the intro by OP where his concern about setting up and teammates getting the damage spots)

 

Also, I have only seen you in game platooned, so if you are running with another scout, I would think optics would be a better choice for running and gunning in the later game.

 

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With the player base the way it is you're better off using optics. Bino's need time to activate and then you need to stay put to remain effective, for the most part. This requires teamwork, unfortunately this is hard to come by in random battles. You need to more "self reliant" and optics help with that more than bino's. 

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View PostGallant Prime, on 20 March 2017 - 09:26 PM, said:

Looking at your stats in comparison to Turkey's, I would say you need more damage--you are about 400 less on average than him in his T71 and about 1000 less than his Lycan, but you have more spots per game than his T71.  Now his may be the high-water mark.  Might be worth looking at some of the other stat sites to compare some of the good light tankers to see if there is something in your game to look at--like average game life.  (Now spots don't necessary translate to spotted targets hit but given the intro by OP where his concern about setting up and teammates getting the damage spots)

 

Also, I have only seen you in game platooned, so if you are running with another scout, I would think optics would be a better choice for running and gunning in the later game.

 

My opinion on binos:

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I'd just say as a word of caution, don't use my tech tree T71 as a comparison tool as when I played that tank I wasn't exactly a good light driver, that was more when I was just grinding to get the T57 heavy, I had very little idea what was the best way to play that tank lol. Now the Lycan stats are much more indicative of what I'd refer to as the high mark that this tank can achieve.


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View PostThe Turkey Tank, on 20 March 2017 - 09:54 PM, said:

I'd just say as a word of caution, don't use my tech tree T71 as a comparison tool as when I played that tank I wasn't exactly a good light driver, that was more when I was just grinding to get the T57 heavy, I had very little idea what was the best way to play that tank lol. Now the Lycan stats are much more indicative of what I'd refer to as the high mark that this tank can achieve.

 

​I figured your T71 might be a bit old, but you 3 marked it which you are one of the few in this thread that have.  I was also trying to give him a more realistic target that may get him the 3 mark just because your Lycan stats are, frankly, nuts.  Like a good tier 9 medium player stats. 

 


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View PostGallant Prime, on 20 March 2017 - 09:26 PM, said:

 
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There really is no such thing. That said the use of the binos is rather limited once the tank you are adding it to already starts with 360+ meter view range. Excluding the FCM 36. Not because of "excess" view range so much as what you can't spot with optics at that point you very likely won't spot with binos either if you stop to look for it. A la those hidden RBWTs and the like. Generally outside of the French lights (they are great passive scouts while almost completely lacking otherwise) once you get to tier VI you should be using optics over binos no question.


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Although I'm certainly no great sticks in lights. The only light I run with binos is the SPIC.
It has good base view range and camo but it's too sluggish as an active scout so I usually try to find a nice bit of greenery at the start of a game and just light up the reds and then run away when I am eventually spotted.

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Binoculars, coated optics and camo net.

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After seeing who replied saying optics or binocs in gunna go with none of the good light tankers use binocs

 

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View PostF4NA7IC, on 20 March 2017 - 06:10 PM, said:

Because someone says they're useless, doesn't mean they are.

 

No I meant that Light Tanks shouldn't stop moving anyway so your binoculars will never activate if you are Light Tanking properly.

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View PostEamonnanChnoic, on 21 March 2017 - 01:11 PM, said:

 

No I meant that Light Tanks shouldn't stop moving anyway so your binoculars will never activate if you are Light Tanking properly.

 

for early game passive spotting camping bush is a reasonable option though....late game dont stop moving and attack

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This is a trick question.  Everyone knows that nocs and nets are for E-hundos and IS-3s...

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View PostKebabsaurus Rex, on 21 March 2017 - 08:19 AM, said:

 

for early game passive spotting camping bush is a reasonable option though....late game dont stop moving and attack

 

Yes it is, though my personal preference is for constant movement.

 

I'd rather be quickly scooting behind hard cover than praying to the bush and camo Gods.

 

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