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Otis Z Firefly #61 Posted 19 April 2018 - 04:49 PM

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View PostBusiedBat306, on 19 April 2018 - 04:07 PM, said:

 

You make an interesting point there, although you have to consider that when those cars were being produced they were not exactly "affordable," especially the Model T. That is not to say however that they did not revolutionize the automobile industry.

 

Both cars were aimed at a mass market. Price wise the Beetle was twice the price of the 2cv but still considered an economy car.
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View PostBusiedBat306, on 18 April 2018 - 01:59 PM, said:

 

By that logic we can also conclude that the Nazis were the first to create the atomic bomb, or that the P1000 Ratte currently holds the record for the world's heaviest tank. Much like your BaguetteMobile, these projects were mere drawings with the occasional prototype. Due to your vehicle's failure to be implemented until 1948, it holds no historical significance beyond a technicality. As a final example, we could also consider the Nazis to be the first to create an air gun capable of downing aircraft... See the problem here?

No, the premise of the thread is to name things or ideas taken from the germans.  The idea of a cheap, affordable car for population, is not something the Nazis came up with first.  So yes, the fact that the 2cv was designed before the bug is relevant to disproving your hypothesis.



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View PostCannon x Fodder, on 21 April 2018 - 01:43 PM, said:

No, the premise of the thread is to name things or ideas taken from the germans.  The idea of a cheap, affordable car for population, is not something the Nazis came up with first.  So yes, the fact that the 2cv was designed before the bug is relevant to disproving your hypothesis.

 

Fair enough, although I think it is fair to say that the VW was by far the most significant. You don't really see anyone driving around with a 2cv nowadays do you? Likewise, the Beetle marked the beginning of an entirely new company, meaning that the significance stretches far beyond the beetle itself.  

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View PostBusiedBat306, on 23 April 2018 - 11:04 PM, said:

 

Fair enough, although I think it is fair to say that the VW was by far the most significant. You don't really see anyone driving around with a 2cv nowadays do you? Likewise, the Beetle marked the beginning of an entirely new company, meaning that the significance stretches far beyond the beetle itself.  

 

My neighbour has a 2CV. I've not seen a Beetle in over a decade. Besides the Austin 7 beat them both by years.
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Beetle: 21.5 Million built.

2CV: 5,1 Million built.

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View PostPanthergraf, on 24 April 2018 - 02:26 PM, said:

Beetle: 21.5 Million built.

2CV: 5,1 Million built.

 

First, not most. The Corolla out sold both, didn't mean it came first.
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View PostOtis Z Firefly, on 24 April 2018 - 08:08 AM, said:

 

My neighbour has a 2CV. I've not seen a Beetle in over a decade. Besides the Austin 7 beat them both by years.

 

I extend my warmest congratulations to your neighbor :medal:, however their ownership of a 2cv combined with your witnessing of their purchasing decision does not overrule the common census... If you walked up to the average person (by this I mean PERSON, not average CAR NUT) and asked them what they knew about the Volkswagen Beetle and the 2cv, the response you would get would likely be something like this:

 

"Well the Beetle is pretty cool, as a teenager I used to have one, even a couple of my friends either have them or have considered getting one... What the hell is a 2CV?"


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View PostBusiedBat306, on 24 April 2018 - 07:23 PM, said:

 

I extend my warmest congratulations to your neighbor :medal:, however their ownership of a 2cv combined with your witnessing of their purchasing decision does not overrule the common census... If you walked up to the average person (by this I mean PERSON, not average CAR NUT) and asked them what they knew about the Volkswagen Beetle and the 2cv, the response you would get would likely be something like this:

 

"Well the Beetle is pretty cool, as a teenager I used to have one, even a couple of my friends either have them or have considered getting one... What the hell is a 2CV?"

 

We shouldn't take the opinion of the uniformed as an argument for the Beetle. Fact is the 2CV was designed first. Austin 7 came before them both anyway.


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View PostBusiedBat306, on 24 April 2018 - 08:23 PM, said:

 

I extend my warmest congratulations to your neighbor :medal:, however their ownership of a 2cv combined with your witnessing of their purchasing decision does not overrule the common census... If you walked up to the average person (by this I mean PERSON, not average CAR NUT) and asked them what they knew about the Volkswagen Beetle and the 2cv, the response you would get would likely be something like this:

 

"Well the Beetle is pretty cool, as a teenager I used to have one, even a couple of my friends either have them or have considered getting one... What the hell is a 2CV?"

 

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View PostIBROX 04, on 24 April 2018 - 07:50 PM, said:

 

Cardboard box with a lawn mower engine and canvas seats.

 

Still better than walking.
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View PostOtis Z Firefly, on 24 April 2018 - 09:37 PM, said:

 

Still better than walking.

 

True, I just remember the old canvas seats. 

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View PostIBROX 04, on 24 April 2018 - 09:11 PM, said:

 

True, I just remember the old canvas seats. 

 

Not sure if they are after market but my neighbour has padded seats in his(old hippie so he probably needs them).
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View PostOtis Z Firefly, on 24 April 2018 - 03:30 PM, said:

 

Not sure if they are after market but my neighbour has padded seats in his(old hippie so he probably needs them).

 

I find it very interesting that you know a person with a 2CV, but as a practical vehicle, the Beetle is far more significant. It really doesn't matter if the 2CV came first, it was hideous, unreliable, unsafe, and crude. It was pretty bad, even for its time; I would rather set fire to all my Priest cassettes than drive a 2CV. The Beetle was a significant piece of engineering that definitely changed the auto indistry forever. The 2CV is a footnote in history, and a weird toy for car enthusiasts.

 

The Beetle is still in production today in its original design, rebadged as the Porsche 911


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View PostWidowMaker1711, on 19 April 2019 - 03:58 AM, said:

 

What could move?? 

The stabilizer moved independently from the elevators to offset weight distribution due to fuel loss. It could be manually adjusted for whatever reason and some Swallow pilots reported conditions that could be caused by breaking mach 1, and being unable to control the vehicle unless they moved the tailplane.

 

I'm not saying its anything beyond plausable, but theres other stories which indicate that Yeager was not necessarily the first.


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View Postx1981 Bengals, on 28 April 2018 - 10:52 AM, said:

 

I find it very interesting that you know a person with a 2CV, but as a practical vehicle, the Beetle is far more significant. It really doesn't matter if the 2CV came first, it was hideous, unreliable, unsafe, and crude. It was pretty bad, even for its time; I would rather set fire to all my Priest cassettes than drive a 2CV. The Beetle was a significant piece of engineering that definitely changed the auto indistry forever. The 2CV is a footnote in history, and a weird toy for car enthusiasts.

 

The Beetle is still in production today in its original design, rebadged as the Porsche 911

 

Of course it matters which came first. This is a discussion on what ideas came from where. The idea of a car for the common people didn't start with the Beetle. The Austin 7 was a cheap mass produced car that predates both Beetle and 2CV, it was also the first mass produced car with a conventional pedal layout. The fact that the 911 still has the rear engine layout is down to Porsche refusing to move with the times rather than it being a good layout.
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