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frosty 117360 #21 Posted 20 March 2017 - 08:22 PM

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I don't know, taking a spall liner off the Japanese heavies seems like a big risk to me.

 

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View PostKillerDNA, on 20 March 2017 - 02:20 PM, said:

vents has such a negligible effect though I highly doubt taking it would help much. I used to like vents a lot thinking it made the difference but really it doesn't when I looked at the numbers.

and I ram a lot in the awful. it helps a ton. also love it when the M53/55 shell lands right next to me and does like 30 dmg and doesn't even track me.  

 

That shell that did 30 damage to you with spall liner would have done 41 damage without spall liner. 

 

Also, spall liner doesn't help you from getting tracked.  You would have kept from driving without a liner. 


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View Postfrosty 117360, on 20 March 2017 - 02:22 PM, said:

I don't know, taking a spall liner off the Japanese heavies seems like a big risk to me.

 

​never had a pen issue on those tanks. Japanese heavies have a ton of stuff that arty shells can catch on before they hit the engine deck. US and Russian heavies have much worse deck-shot problems.

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If you're huge fat and slow a spall liner will let you survive one extra arty hit (usually). Spall liner plus pain tolerance is a decent combo.

 

   

 

 


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I run a spall liner on the KV-220 and the KV-5. Because they are slow and with my aggressive playstyle, never behind cover. Therefore, good arty targets.

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I ran one in my Doom Turtle for a while, but I replaced it.  It was worth it more for me to have the extra view range, aim time reduction, and reload speed from other equipment rather than save like 100 HP worth of damage.  Arty is going to mess you up if it hits you either way. 

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How's the math work for receiving a T49 derp? Seems like when I fire a shell up certain tanks' poop chute, the occasional low roll might be a side effect of a spall liner. 

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JoeDaFrogman, on 29 August 2016 - 02:59 PM, said:

Because math says shar[ing] damage dealt and shar[ing] damage taken = best way to win


Ronin Gaidin #28 Posted 20 March 2017 - 08:40 PM

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I'd only consider a spall liner of the Heavy to Super-Heavy variety. And even then it is only on a couple of my tanks, if memory serves. I want to say TOG and KV-5 (working form memory here). Light and Medium spall liners are a total waste of an equipment slot. 

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I've never been sure about mounting a spall liner on the Maus, for the one and only reason of HESH. The Deathstar is my biggest bain in the Maus. What's people's opinion on this please?

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Does anyone ever use:
Grousers
Cyclone Filters
CO2 Tanks
or Toolbox?

Since you only have three slots, I've never fit these in.
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View PostTocFanKe4, on 20 March 2017 - 01:33 PM, said:

I ran one in my Doom Turtle for a while, but I replaced it.  It was worth it more for me to have the extra view range, aim time reduction, and reload speed from other equipment rather than save like 100 HP worth of damage.  Arty is going to mess you up if it hits you either way. 

I used one with the doom turtle to improve survivability against HESHstars splashing me to death.



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View PostPlayboy2K3, on 20 March 2017 - 02:38 PM, said:

How's the math work for receiving a T49 derp? Seems like when I fire a shell up certain tanks' poop chute, the occasional low roll might be a side effect of a spall liner. 

 

If the shell pens, spall liner does nothing but boost crew health.  if it doesn't pen, then you automatically lose half the damage due to splash.  That's at 455 then.  Next it gets reduced by 1.1 times the amount of armor at the location of the hit.  My app says a E-75 has 160 mm of armor on it's pooper, so you're looking at 1.1*160*1.5 with the spall liner. 

 

Without a liner, that splash shot would give damage of 279 on the hind end of the E-75

With a liner, that splash shot would give 191. 

 

The Spall Liner saved the E-75 from 88 points of damage. 


 

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View Postsumplkrum, on 20 March 2017 - 04:46 PM, said:

Does anyone ever use:
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or Toolbox?

Since you only have three slots, I've never fit these in.

 

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KillerDNA #34 Posted 20 March 2017 - 08:57 PM

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View PostTocFanKe4, on 20 March 2017 - 03:23 PM, said:

 

That shell that did 30 damage to you with spall liner would have done 41 damage without spall liner. 

 

Also, spall liner doesn't help you from getting tracked.  You would have kept from driving without a liner. 

 

no i don't think that's entirely how it works. I thought it would simply reduce damage by 20% but instead it increases armor effectiveness or something. Without spall liner I more than likely would have taken like 200 damage.

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View Postsumplkrum, on 20 March 2017 - 01:46 PM, said:

Does anyone ever use:
Grousers
Cyclone Filters
CO2 Tanks
or Toolbox?

Since you only have three slots, I've never fit these in.

 

​i put toolbox on all my tier 9 and ten heavy tanks.with all the skills and perks makes track repair take only seconds.

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I tried the spall liner on the Maus, and again on a couple other tanks and have had the same observation, doesn't reduce the damage enough to make it worthwhile to me, and don't remember it saving my crew often enough to bother. The description on that equipment is very misleading in my experience and the OP quote of Mathews seems to be exactly what I have experienced while using a spall liner, utter disappointed at the amount of damage mitigated by using a 50% spall liner.

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View PostKillerDNA, on 20 March 2017 - 02:57 PM, said:

 

no i don't think that's entirely how it works. I thought it would simply reduce damage by 20% but instead it increases armor effectiveness or something. Without spall liner I more than likely would have taken like 200 damage.

 

That's exactly how it works. The Awful has 50 mm of side armour. Small spall liner boosts that by 20 percent. It's as if you had 60 mm of armor. You're basically increasing the damage absorbed by 11 points. The Awful doesn't have enough armor to absorb 170 damage. 

 

Even if it used a super heavy spall liner, it's armor would need to be over 300 mm to absorb an additional 170 damage. 


 

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II NO x VICE II #38 Posted 20 March 2017 - 09:26 PM

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Just curious, how would it affect a paper thin tank in higher tiers, say .... a CDC?

 

Also factor in HE being fired by TDs as well (like the SU-152/not just Arty). 



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View PostKillerDNA, on 20 March 2017 - 02:57 PM, said:

 

no i don't think that's entirely how it works. I thought it would simply reduce damage by 20% but instead it increases armor effectiveness or something. Without spall liner I more than likely would have taken like 200 damage.

 

I think this post also shows how people overestimate the effect of the spall liner.  You run spall liner, and you get hit by arty for 30 damage.  You pay attention to that result because it validates your choice of equipment.  It feeds into a confirmation bias that spall liner is effective against arty.  If you weren't running spall liner, that shot for 30 damage would have hit for 41 damage mostly because you were far enough away from the impact position.  You don't pay attention to the 41 damage because you think "whew, that guy just missed".  It's a confirmation bias that you notice low roll arty shots when you have spall liner on. 

 

The only thing you should even consider running spall liner on is tanks with very heavy armor that can mount the super heavy liner with 50% boost. 

 

I'd like to point out that a spall liner on a TOG is like lipstick on a pig.  You're boosting that damage absorbed by your 76 mm of armor to 114.  It's absorbing like 40 more HP on your TOG, if you get splashed.  Arty it hits you, your roof is like 19 mm.  You're usually getting penned in a TOG, where the spall liner gives no damage reduction. 

 

View PostII NO x VICE II, on 20 March 2017 - 03:26 PM, said:

Just curious, how would it affect a paper thin tank in higher tiers, say .... a CDC?

 

Also factor in HE being fired by TDs as well (like the SU-152/not just Arty). 

 

Do not run it in a paper tank unless you have issues with crew death.  30 mm of armor boosted by 25% is not much of a boost at all.  And since most HE can pen 30 mm at that tier, spall liner does nothing.  It only protects crew health if you get penned. 

Edited by TocFanKe4, 20 March 2017 - 09:31 PM.

 

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View PostTocFanKe4, on 20 March 2017 - 04:30 PM, said:

 

I think this post also shows how people overestimate the effect of the spall liner

same can be said about vents.


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