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Poll: Should the 7,5cm L/100 be buffed? (53 members have cast votes)

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Should the 7,5cm L/100 be buffed? If so, by how much? The guns current DPM is 1687.5

  1. 150 alpha up from 135 (1875 dpm) (26 votes [49.06%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 49.06%

  2. 145 alpha up from 135 (1812.5 dpm) (4 votes [7.55%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 7.55%

  3. 140 alpha up from 135 and RoF increased to 13.20 up from 12.50 RPM (1848 dpm) (2 votes [3.77%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.77%

  4. 140 alpha up from 135 and aimtime decrease to 2.00 down from 2.30 (1750 dpm) (2 votes [3.77%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 3.77%

  5. Both answer 3 and 4 combined (7 votes [13.21%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 13.21%

  6. No buff needed (11 votes [20.75%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 20.75%

  7. Other/Own buff idea (Write you answer down below) (1 vote [1.89%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 1.89%

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RaNdOmKiLs666 #1 Posted 24 March 2017 - 08:01 PM

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The gun is sorely lacking at tier 7 and 8, so i reckon it needs a bit of a improvement. Both these tanks are sniping mediums with accurate guns, but they have terrible alpha per shot and the high firerate doesn't resolve this issue. The DPM is horrible for both these tanks and i think a weapon buff could go along way even if it's only a moderate improvement. I voted for the 150 alpha, so the gun has a bit more of a bite to it, atm tanks can eat loads of shots from this gun before dying to it and the Panther historically was feared, but in this game most people treat it like an exp pool. 
 
I would like to point out the UK 17pounder is a 76.2mm, yet it hits for 150 alpha and has similar stats (aimtime,firerate and accuracy) to the 7,5cm L/100.
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MelloCWB #2 Posted 24 March 2017 - 08:14 PM

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View PostRaNdOmKiLs666, on 24 March 2017 - 05:01 PM, said:

The gun is sorely lacking at tier 7 and 8, so i reckon it needs a bit of a improvement. Both these tanks are sniping mediums with accurate guns, but they have terrible alpha per shot and the high firerate doesn't resolve this issue. The DPM is horrible for both these tanks and i think a weapon buff could go along way even if it's only a moderate improvement. I voted for the 150 alpha, so the gun has a bit more of a bite to it, atm tanks can eat loads of shots from this gun before dying to it and the Panther historically was feared, but in this game most people treat it like an exp pool. 
 
I would like to point out the UK 17pounder is a 76.2mm, yet it hits for 150 alpha and has similar stats (aimtime,firerate and accuracy) to the 7,5cm L/100.
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EDIT: I copied this thread from the one i made in Suggestions, since it got only a small amount of attention and will probably get more notice in GD.

 

Both Panther should be dropped down a tier.

 

And get rid of that L100


 

 


iPotato Famine #3 Posted 24 March 2017 - 08:32 PM

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View PostMelloCWB, on 24 March 2017 - 12:14 PM, said:

 

Both Panther should be dropped down a tier.

 

And get rid of that L100

Agreed.  Makes no sense to run a fantasy gun in a very real iconic tank. 



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View PostMelloCWB, on 24 March 2017 - 08:14 PM, said:

 

Both Panther should be dropped down a tier.

 

And get rid of that L100

So that would leave a  long 88 mm equipped panther II at tier 7?  It would seem to me to be op at that tier.  



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it does have 198mm standard pen which counts for something.  It's adequate enough to engage almost everything you encounter as a tier 7 tank frontally.  

BadDad61 #6 Posted 24 March 2017 - 10:06 PM

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i might be the minority here but I actually liked the Panthers

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View PostBadDad61, on 24 March 2017 - 04:06 PM, said:

i might be the minority here but I actually liked the Panthers

 

I did too. Still I was bad, but they were certainly fun to drove, I felt like a knight when charging the enemy.

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View Postpr0fit0fcanabis, on 24 March 2017 - 03:42 PM, said:

So that would leave a  long 88 mm equipped panther II at tier 7?  It would seem to me to be op at that tier.  

 

In that situation the 88 would also be removed. I have talked about the possibility of dropping the Panthers down a tier on and off for over a year with Joco for history sake including what would have to be done to the tanks to rebalance them. Same with the Tiger itself fyi. The thing is currently that the VK 30.01M is the Panther D or G minus the forward hull armor when fully upgraded. It just isn't named as such. The Panther as is in game is the last variant of the Panther to see active service with two fantasy options as top guns. The Panther II in game is what may have been done in the future in terms of upgrades.

 

As for buffing the 75mm L/100 it will be getting a buff soon if they update the line to the modern PC specs via a very nice RoF buff at the least. The Panther/M10 got an extremely good series of buffs in that update too.


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Alpha isn't tied to gun calibre. There are something like 5 different alpha stats for 155mm guns in the game, plus the 152s, plus the 150s.

There's like 15 different alphas for 75/76mm guns, from like 90 to 150.

 

A high-tier tank with a 76mm gun, perhaps a future scout, could justify a 76mm gun with significantly more than 150 alpha.

 

Note that the 88mm L/100 of the E-50, which on PC is being trialled to be moved down to the Panther II as well, does not get an alpha boost over the L/71.


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View PostMelloCWB, on 24 March 2017 - 11:14 AM, said:

 

Both Panther should be dropped down a tier.

 

And get rid of that L100

 

This is the best option.

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View PostBadDad61, on 24 March 2017 - 04:06 PM, said:

i might be the minority here but I actually liked the Panthers

 

No I liked them and still do. Otherwise I wouldn't have every premium Panther in the game. 

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View PostBadDad61, on 24 March 2017 - 03:06 PM, said:

i might be the minority here but I actually liked the Panthers

I like the panthers.

 

Dosent exactly make them good tanks. The panther dosent even have 1700dpm ffs.


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CowboyArizona #13 Posted 25 March 2017 - 06:32 AM

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Buff the Champion while you're at it.  That Pather variant is underwhelming to say the least.

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View PostCowboyArizona, on 24 March 2017 - 11:32 PM, said:

Buff the Champion while you're at it.  That Pather variant is underwhelming to say the least.

 

WG seems plenty satisfied with the 5mm turret buff.

 

PC gave it much more. We are different afterall so expect them to leave that "buff" as the only one it ever gets.


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I actually like the Panther. Apart from my STA-2 this has to be my favourite medium untill now. It has a good snipy gun, accurate, high RoF and is reasonably mobile to consistently re-position to stay away from frontline tanks. Yeah the alpha is not that much but in open maps it can be quite great !

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I'm grinding it again for the tiger 2. I think it's a great tank the way it is. I play it as a support sniper.

RaNdOmKiLs666 #17 Posted 25 March 2017 - 07:21 PM

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View PostDCFurioso, on 25 March 2017 - 07:20 PM, said:

I'm grinding it again for the tiger 2. I think it's a great tank the way it is. I play it as a support sniper.

It has terrible DPM and camo for a sniper though. This is why the gun needs an improvement, since it has been power creeped.


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olemanbyers #18 Posted 25 March 2017 - 07:26 PM

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165 alpha like the old konisch

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View PostiPotato Famine, on 24 March 2017 - 08:32 PM, said:

Agreed.  Makes no sense to run a fantasy gun in a very real iconic tank. 

 

Good point, however, it exists in a game with many fantasy tanks, including tanks that utilize the same gun with differing fantasy stats.

RaNdOmKiLs666 #20 Posted 26 March 2017 - 08:37 AM

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View Postolemanbyers, on 26 March 2017 - 05:26 AM, said:

165 alpha like the old konisch

 

I think that'd be a bit to much alpha. I think if the alpha gets raised it should only be 150, because other wise it'd do more damage then the slightly bigger 17pounder, which is a 76.2mm. That said irl German 75mm were superior to the allied 75mm/76mm guns.

Edited by RaNdOmKiLs666, 26 March 2017 - 08:42 AM.






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