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xXlAmbitionzlXx #41 Posted 21 April 2017 - 11:39 PM

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Heres an interesting fact. My Tier X tank stats by hit ratio.   - Averages for those who want to stat shame me. 


E-50M - 0.30 accuracy - 83.12% - 1,539 Games.                   3,399

E-100 - 0.40 accuracy - 82.58% - 426 Games.                       2,976

T110E5 - 0.34 accuracy - 82.71% - 86 Games.                      3,012 

Obj 140 - 0.34 accuracy - 80.96% - 194 Games.                    3,175

T-62A - 0.34 accuracy - 80.29% - 294 Games.                       2,799

STB-1 - 0.36 accuracy - 79.96% - 65 Games.                        3,000

FV215b - 0.31 accuracy - 79.53% - 10 Games.                      3,947

Waffle E-100 - 0.29 accuracy - 78.68%. - 55 Games.             3,071

Jg. Pz.E 100 - 0.34 accuracy - 78.43% - 971 Games.            3,393

Obj 268 - 0.33 accuracy - 78.16% - 1,459 Games.                 3,642

T110E4 - 0.38 accuracy - 75.67% - 131 Games.                    3,720

Fv215b 183 - 0.40 accuracy - 74.32% - 528 Games.             3,431
Grille 15 - 0.27 accuracy - 74.00% - 75 Games.                    3,204
IS-7 - 0.40 accuracy - 66.67% - 3 Games.                             2,311

 


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MaxChaos24 #42 Posted 21 April 2017 - 11:56 PM

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View PostDecoNoir, on 21 April 2017 - 06:01 PM, said:

 

Who asked for it to be compared to the Waffle? The issue it being thrown in with guns of the same caliber (or close to) doing greater damage. The Grille was balanced for an entirely different meta but you guys just tossed it in without a care, despite one of your Lead Designers saying otherwise. This isn't the first time you guys have done this either.

 

 

 

Not sure why you keep saying this? Grille 15 is #1 in damage for all TDs. The 750 damage is balanced for our meta, at 850, it'd be ridiculously OP.

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 21 April 2017 - 11:56 PM, said:

 

Not sure why you keep saying this? Grille 15 is #1 in damage for all TDs. The 750 damage is balanced for our meta, at 850, it'd be ridiculously OP.

 

If 750 is balanced for "Our" meta, Why dont other TD's have 750 alpha also considering the stats you have pulled will be skewed in terms of how many people have played the waffle, Foch etc When such tanks have been out for many months, Therefore many more people owning such tanks? 

Thats like comparing an M53/M55 to a Fv3805, The M53 has a ridiculous amount of games played and still for whatever reason manages to still out do its tier 9 counterparts, But because the averages are similar the M53 must be balanced? Wait till more people get the grille lol 

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View PostxXlAmbitionzlXx, on 21 April 2017 - 07:09 PM, said:

 

If 750 is balanced for "Our" meta, Why dont other TD's have 750 alpha also considering the stats you have pulled will be skewed in terms of how many people have played the waffle, grille etc When such tanks have been out for many months, Therefore many more people owning such tanks? 

 

Previously answered this. They arent doing that much damage with 850 so no need to nerf them just cause. The grille 15 at 750 is out damaging every Tier X TD so no need to buff it to 850. 

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 22 April 2017 - 12:12 AM, said:

 

Previously answered this. They arent doing that much damage with 850 so no need to nerf them just cause. The grille 15 at 750 is out damaging every Tier X TD so no need to buff it to 850. 

 

How many people own a grille in comparison to every other TD stated then? Remember what happened last time to a particular tank had a high average over the course of a few months, that alot of people unlike the 183, Jageroo and E3/E4 didnt have.. It was called the Foch 155. 

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View PostxXlAmbitionzlXx, on 21 April 2017 - 08:15 PM, said:

 

How many people own a grille in comparison to every other TD stated then? Remember what happened last time to a particular tank had a high average over the course of a few months, that alot of people unlike the 183, Jageroo and E3/E4 didnt have.. It was called the Foch 155. 

 

also by his logic..if the grille is getting the top damage of all TD's, then that means people using tanks like the jageroo arent averaging 3 damaging shots a game... which is imo bull

 

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View PostxXlAmbitionzlXx, on 21 April 2017 - 07:15 PM, said:

 

How many people own a grille in comparison to every other TD stated then? Remember what happened last time to a particular tank had a high average over the course of a few months, that alot of people unlike the 183, Jageroo and E3/E4 didnt have.. It was called the Foch 155. 

 

Be sure to know that it is stated in the first post that it is only initial data and likely to be higher than what it will be once it's stabilizes. We understand that initial data is just initial. It's only to show that the 850 would have been way to much. 

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View PostCruiser Abukuma, on 21 April 2017 - 07:19 PM, said:

 

also by his logic..if the grille is getting the top damage of all TD's, then that means people using tanks like the jageroo arent averaging 3 damaging shots a game... which is imo bull

 

It's not logic, just posting facts. :honoring:

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 22 April 2017 - 12:23 AM, said:

 

Be sure to know that it is stated in the first post that it is only initial data and likely to be higher than what it will be once it's stabilizes. We understand that initial data is just initial. It's only to show that the 850 would have been way to much. 

 

I get that part of it :P 

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 21 April 2017 - 08:25 PM, said:

 

It's not logic, just posting facts. :honoring:

 

im sorry but posting numbers based on the lower 10% of the population doesnt count as facts... I've seen players complain over all aspects of social media and even in game.. you cant deny this forever max... 

 

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 21 April 2017 - 11:56 PM, said:

 

Not sure why you keep saying this? Grille 15 is #1 in damage for all TDs. The 750 damage is balanced for our meta, at 850, it'd be ridiculously OP.

 

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 21 April 2017 - 06:12 PM, said:

 

Previously answered this. They arent doing that much damage with 850 so no need to nerf them just cause. The grille 15 at 750 is out damaging every Tier X TD so no need to buff it to 850. 

 

"they aren't doing that much damage with 850, just 500+ more per game than non-tds, no need to  actually get off our butts and balance our game. lets reskin more premiums and charge 50% more than they are worth!"

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a 100 dmg reduction wont keep me from purchasing the grille 

 

meh 

 

thanks Max for the info GL



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View Postmhogee, on 22 April 2017 - 02:27 PM, said:

a 100 dmg reduction wont keep me from purchasing the grille 

 

meh 

 

thanks Max for the info GL

 

Make sure you literally fully aim the shots, otherwise the gun has a mind of its own and it [edited]misses. 

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View PostxXlAmbitionzlXx, on 22 April 2017 - 04:41 PM, said:

 

Make sure you literally fully aim the shots, otherwise the gun has a mind of its own and it [edited]misses. 

 

So true. Not to mention reticle bloom that goes off screen if you just slightly move the turret which makes that 1.5 seconds aiming time feel more like 10.5

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View PostSiLENT HuN7ER, on 22 April 2017 - 05:43 PM, said:

 

So true. Not to mention reticle bloom that goes off screen if you just slightly move the turret which makes that 1.5 seconds aiming time feel more like 10.5

 

Got to feel for those guys who complained about getting snap shot from IS-6's 24/7, Ironically, players complain about the RNG and what does WG do to resolve the issue? Give us 25% more RNG when we are moving the reticule. That update "Global dispersion nerf" needs revoked. Such a stupid [edited]nerf. 

FYI WG, Still getting hit on the move by IS-7's and E5's... Just to put that out there.. 

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 21 April 2017 - 03:56 PM, said:

 

Not sure why you keep saying this? Grille 15 is #1 in damage for all TDs. The 750 damage is balanced for our meta, at 850, it'd be ridiculously OP.

 

So why are the T110's left at 850?

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I really like the way that the op tds are under performing lol

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View PostJohn Arrowsmith, on 22 April 2017 - 10:58 PM, said:

I really like the way that the op tds are under performing lol

 

More people own them :hiding:

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View PostCruiser Abukuma, on 22 April 2017 - 12:19 AM, said:

 

also by his logic..if the grille is getting the top damage of all TD's, then that means people using tanks like the jageroo arent averaging 3 damaging shots a game... which is imo bull

 

If it's played poorly it can average under 3k :(.   Played very poorly, it can average less than 3 pens a game.

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