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D1G1TAL1MAGE #41 Posted 21 April 2017 - 03:26 PM

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View Postmockney_piers, on 21 April 2017 - 03:23 PM, said:

i don't think the tank changed, just wotinfo's reporting of it.

Am i right in thinking that the wn8 printing's contribution to overall wn8 won't change, as it's not a weighted average of one's stats, more of an aggregation over time?

If that make's any sense?

 

If that was addressed to me, I wasn't talking about changes to the tank, I was referring to the changes to WN8.  A lot of people's overall WN8 dropped.


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View Postmockney_piers, on 21 April 2017 - 10:23 AM, said:

i don't think the tank changed, just wotinfo's reporting of it.

Am i right in thinking that the wn8 printing's contribution to overall wn8 won't change, as it's not a weighted average of one's stats, more of an aggregation over time?

If that make's any sense?

 

My overall WN8 dropped 90 points.  Maybe I'm not understanding what you're trying to say. 

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D1G1TAL1MAGE #43 Posted 21 April 2017 - 03:28 PM

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View PostTocFanKe4, on 21 April 2017 - 03:25 PM, said:

 

Maybe, but I'd still like to know how the expected value was produced.  I can't know what level of confidence to put into the number unless I know the procedure that created it. 

 

In fairness, I do think the pendulum may have swung too far in the other direction based on the new WN8 numbers, but perhaps it was needed.

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ok, i misubderstod, so people's overalls are dropping.

fair and just of course ;)



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Errr... I was on around 6000, just beneath my Sexton 1.... Can now be found at 2315, a drop of around 4000 wn8.

Fairly sure this can't be right because nearly every other game is really good. I've had 3 Radley's in 66 games.

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wotpython did a big data gathering excersise from console stats and came up with these expecteds

 

WN8 300 450 650 900 1200 1600 2000 2450 2900
Required Damage 290 385 500 630 775 950 1120 1385 1655

 

the way wn8 should work is that OP tanks, especially prems, especially those that purples love, are very hard to get dcent wn8 on, even for better players.

A unicum can expect to be great in it, a great will be v good etc.

 

People's previous wn8 in it was based on a 476 expected damage,m which is crazily low, so wn8 was crazily high as a result

 



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There is no reason that WN8 can't be calculated differently for PC versus console.  Maybe the wotinfo just changed the expected damage for the console version of the tanks.  The stats were wildly wrong anyways.

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View Postmockney_piers, on 21 April 2017 - 09:36 AM, said:

wotpython did a big data gathering excersise from console stats and came up with these expecteds

 

WN8 300 450 650 900 1200 1600 2000 2450 2900
Required Damage 290 385 500 630 775 950 1120 1385 1655

 

the way wn8 should work is that OP tanks, especially prems, especially those that purples love, are very hard to get dcent wn8 on, even for better players.

A unicum can expect to be great in it, a great will be v good etc.

 

People's previous wn8 in it was based on a 476 expected damage,m which is crazily low, so wn8 was crazily high as a result

 

 

 

Purple in the V/IV was at 750 damage, not 476 -- which was still way too low.

 

That being typed, 1600 is stupidly high and on par with some tier VIII mediums, so that's just dumb, too.

 

I'd say 1100-1200 would be a good purple number, tbh.



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476 was the expected value, not the requirement for super unicum. table on wotinfo hasn't been updated yet...i wait with baited breath

http://www.wotinfo.net/en/wn8vehicles



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I hope they start changing other offenders, such as the US sexton I and the T-rex.

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View Postmockney_piers, on 21 April 2017 - 09:52 AM, said:

476 was the expected value, not the requirement for super unicum. table on wotinfo hasn't been updated yet...i wait with baited breath

http://www.wotinfo.net/en/wn8vehicles

 

Ahhhh...got ya. My apologies. :honoring:

 

That is just stupidly low -- like one ram kill. :trollface:



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View PostMMCorreia, on 21 April 2017 - 09:53 AM, said:

I hope they start changing other offenders, such as the US sexton I and the T-rex.

 

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View PostMajor Englush, on 21 April 2017 - 10:47 AM, said:

 

 

Purple in the V/IV was at 750 damage, not 476 -- which was still way too low.

 

That being typed, 1600 is stupidly high and on par with some tier VIII mediums, so that's just dumb, too.

 

I'd say 1100-1200 would be a good purple number, tbh.

To be fair though, it's not what we think would be a good number, it's what's actually being played. If the value is actually that high, then that should be the value; though I am somewhat sceptical of it being 1600, from experience I'd say you're probably right with around 1100-1200.



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oh well, fun while it lasted! :)

 

the funny thing is that my sig shows the old stats ... even right now. 

 

But if you go to wotinfo site it shows the reduced stats. Must be a delay or something ...



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View PostMajor Englush, on 21 April 2017 - 04:09 PM, said:

 

SHUSH!

 

 

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View Postanimatethant, on 21 April 2017 - 06:30 PM, said:

oh well, fun while it lasted! :)

 

the funny thing is that my sig shows the old stats ... even right now. 

 

But if you go to wotinfo site it shows the reduced stats. Must be a delay or something ...

 

Your browser cache's it.

Hit Ctrl+F5 and you'll see your new numbers.


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Why I don't worry about stats or wn8. I'm an average player that has fun playing the game and comfortable with the size of his package, don't need to worry how it compares to everybody else.

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I only had 387 battles in the Pz V/IV from when it was first introduced (founders 3 years ago). Last time I played it was TWO battles last month and my WN8 dropped 125 points.

 


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I'm curious, does anyone here still have Purple stats in the Rampanzer with at least 100 games with it? If so then 'Props' as Sinz would say. :)


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View PostBigColt30119636, on 21 April 2017 - 08:46 AM, said:

Why I don't worry about stats or wn8. I'm an average player that has fun playing the game and comfortable with the size of his package, don't need to worry how it compares to everybody else.

 

hehe ... well said! 

 

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