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LordAnonII #1 Posted 21 April 2017 - 01:45 PM

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Do any of you at WG play lights? Because it doesn't [edited]seem like it.

So let me explain it for you in real basic terms:

Tier IX game:

2 x 13 90's on red team does not equal one 13 90 and 2 x 12 t's on green. 

What is so damn difficult to understand about that?


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Saerbhreathach #2 Posted 21 April 2017 - 01:51 PM

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Yeah, I've notice mismatched scout mm in the last while, since the French on track event really. I've had a bunch of matches where it will be 2-3 red scouts vs 1-2 green scouts. The odd thing is most of these mismatched scout mm doesn't make sense. How does one T49 equal the same weight as a 13 90 AND a 13 75????



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View PostLordAnonII, on 21 April 2017 - 08:45 AM, said:

Do any of you at WG play lights? Because it doesn't [edited]seem like it.

So let me explain it for you in real basic terms:

Tier IX game:

2 x 13 90's on red team does not equal one 13 90 and 2 x 12 t's on green. 

What is so damn difficult to understand about that?

 

Games are balanced by weight, not by individual tanks. 

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 21 April 2017 - 10:22 AM, said:

 

Games are balanced by weight, not by individual tanks. 

 

 

Exactly. So how is it a 13 90 and a 13 75 weigh the same as a lone T49??? I've had several matches where the number of scouts per team seemed to be a little wonky... 

 

Like this match....

http://xboxdvr.com/g...eenshot/6197643



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View PostMaxChaos24, on 21 April 2017 - 01:52 PM, said:

 

Games are balanced by weight, not by individual tanks. 

 

so fix it... that's the title. The MM weights are screwed up when it comes to certain tanks and classes. Arty and lights being prime examples. 

 

Or maybe PC changed their mm for no reason...


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View PostSaerbhreathach, on 21 April 2017 - 02:55 PM, said:

Exactly. So how is it a 13 90 and a 13 75 weigh the same as a lone T49??? I've had several matches where the number of scouts per team seemed to be a little wonky... 

 

They don't weigh the same, Max meant total weight of red team versus total weight of green team. 

 

I noticed the same since I play alot of lights lately and I don't like it either. 



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View PostSaerbhreathach, on 21 April 2017 - 08:55 AM, said:

 

 

Exactly. So how is it a 13 90 and a 13 75 weigh the same as a lone T49??? I've had several matches where the number of scouts per team seemed to be a little wonky... 

 

Like this match....

http://xboxdvr.com/g...eenshot/6197643

 

Not seeing the issue with that screenshot. That's about as close to perfect as possible. Did you link the wrong one? 

 



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View PostMaxChaos24, on 21 April 2017 - 01:52 PM, said:

 

Games are balanced by weight, not by individual tanks. 

It needs sorting Max. Because everything your company does when it comes to lights is a mess.

We have less bushes than PC but our TD's have greater view ranges.

Bushes from mountain pass winter were removed when mountain pass summer was released. (so 360 can't be blamed they were already there). Thats just one foliage example.

Deathstar was buffed but 13 90 nerfed? Because deathstar was UP and 13 90 OP? The 13 90 makes the IS7 seem like it has a laser instead of a gun.


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View PostSaerbhreathach, on 21 April 2017 - 01:55 PM, said:

 

 

Exactly. So how is it a 13 90 and a 13 75 weigh the same as a lone T49??? I've had several matches where the number of scouts per team seemed to be a little wonky... 

 

Like this match....

http://xboxdvr.com/g...eenshot/6197643

 

You're confused, it's the teams weight as a whole that's calculated, like Max said it's not individual tanks. So the light tank weight imbalance will probably be made up by other tanks somewhere in the match.

 

I do agree it's a bit of a problem though. Scouts should have special consideration in the matchmaking imo, in terms of balancing them between the teams.


 

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View Postfrosty 117360, on 21 April 2017 - 02:29 PM, said:

 

You're confused, it's the teams weight as a whole that's calculated, like Max said it's not individual tanks. So the light tank weight imbalance will probably be made up by other tanks somewhere in the match.

 

I do agree it's a bit of a problem though. Scouts should have special consideration in the matchmaking imo, in terms of balancing them between the teams.

Exactly, one more medium, one less heavy is fine.

Imagine tier X game, 1 team has a 140 other team has 2 T44. But to finish it, 140 team has zero VIII's. That was what happens an awful lot with lights.


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View PostMaxChaos24, on 21 April 2017 - 09:52 AM, said:

Games are balanced by weight, not by individual tanks. 

This^^^ is how it's always been.

Individual tank MM weight is totaled to form a team while placing an equal on the other. A Light for each or an Arty.

 

Oddly though, in the last few days I've been seeing matches where I'm the only Light or even better- two Lights for us, none on red.


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View PostSaerbhreathach, on 21 April 2017 - 07:55 AM, said:

 

 

Exactly. So how is it a 13 90 and a 13 75 weigh the same as a lone T49??? I've had several matches where the number of scouts per team seemed to be a little wonky... 

 

Like this match....

http://xboxdvr.com/g...eenshot/6197643

You know I took a guess before even looking at the screen shot (which i confirmed after looking at it), MM struggles with platoons, the struggle is worse at higher tiers, and it's the absolute worst when dealing with platoons made up of only light tanks. 


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View PostGIXXERCON 13, on 21 April 2017 - 02:39 PM, said:

This^^^ is how it's always been.

Individual tank MM weight is totaled to form a team while placing an equal on the other. A Light for each or an Arty.

 

Oddly though, in the last few days I've been seeing matches where I'm the only Light or even better- two Lights for us, none on red.

I understand how it works but just because the "weight" is the same it doesn't mean its balanced.

In my example, 28 tier VIII and IX and 2 12t's.

Just had another game 29 tier IX and X and me in a 13 75. We had me and a 13 90, they had a 13 90 and T49.


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View PostMaxChaos24, on 21 April 2017 - 10:49 AM, said:

 

Not seeing the issue with that screenshot. That's about as close to perfect as possible. Did you link the wrong one? 

 

 

Perfect as possible you say. So red getting an extra T49 is perfect is it???  Could have sworn both teams having equal number of T49's would be perfect but I guess not.... 

 

And yes, I was confused about the weighting system, I was looking at it tank by tank not as the team as a whole... But even so, there's nothing perfect about that match. They got an extra scout, whereas I had to work my [edited]off.



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View Postfrosty 117360, on 21 April 2017 - 10:59 AM, said:

 

You're confused, it's the teams weight as a whole that's calculated, like Max said it's not individual tanks. So the light tank weight imbalance will probably be made up by other tanks somewhere in the match.

 

I do agree it's a bit of a problem though. Scouts should have special consideration in the matchmaking imo, in terms of balancing them between the teams.

 

 

Yeah, I was looking at it tank by tank, not as the whole team. Still a load of [edited]though... :sceptic: 



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View PostSaerbhreathach, on 21 April 2017 - 10:52 AM, said:

 

Perfect as possible you say. So red getting an extra T49 is perfect is it???  Could have sworn both teams having equal number of T49's would be perfect but I guess not.... 

 

And yes, I was confused about the weighting system, I was looking at it tank by tank not as the team as a whole... But even so, there's nothing perfect about that match. They got an extra scout, whereas I had to work my [edited]off.

 

The match balance is: 1336.8 vs 1312.8. Your team had a slight advantage in this battle (1.8%) Having another scout would have given your team an even greater advantage. 

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 21 April 2017 - 12:24 PM, said:

 

The match balance is: 1336.8 vs 1312.8. Your team had a slight advantage in this battle (1.8%) Having another scout would have given your team an even greater advantage. 

 

 

I know now how it works, still doesn't change the fact that it's total and utter [edited]. Explain to me how our team having the same number of scouts as red team would give my team the advantage WITHOUT hiding behind the stupid weighting system. You can't can you. Why, cause it's not balanced. I had to do the work of 2 scouts whereas red scouts got half a map each. Explain to me how that's balanced. 



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What gets me is the 10 TD on one side and 10 heavies on the other matches.  Seems like MM could find a way to make it 5 and 5...

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View PostSaerbhreathach, on 21 April 2017 - 10:57 AM, said:

 

 

I know now how it works, still doesn't change the fact that it's total and utter [edited]. Explain to me how our team having the same number of scouts as red team would give my team the advantage WITHOUT hiding behind the stupid weighting system. You can't can you. Why, cause it's not balanced. I had to do the work of 2 scouts whereas red scouts got half a map each. Explain to me how that's balanced. 

 

Them having 2 scouts means they have 1 less shooter. You can't look at it on a tank by tank basis, you have to look at the whole team. 

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 21 April 2017 - 09:54 AM, said:

 

The match balance is: 1336.8 vs 1312.8. Your team had a slight advantage in this battle (1.8%) Having another scout would have given your team an even greater advantage. 

 

Max can you tell me what the weight of this game was?  I couldn't figure out how 6 TD and 3 Mediums vs 6 Mediums and 3 TD, with an extra M55 on red team thrown in, was "balanced."

 

 






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