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xPanzergeistx #21 Posted 20 May 2017 - 02:27 AM

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View PostBlooody8, on 19 May 2017 - 02:07 PM, said:

Why are you still bad then? 

 

Sure miss the neg button.

 

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Deuces WiId #22 Posted 20 May 2017 - 02:44 AM

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View Postlysteria85, on 19 May 2017 - 02:59 PM, said:

Win rates doesn't say nothing about player - you can have unicum status and die in every battle with win rate 48% or be "bad" player with WN8 under 700 and have win rate 56% - just becuase you were lucky and your team used to play good. Survival rate or kill/death rate also doesn't say nothing - you might be light tank player, have low kill rate/high death rate (because that's how light work - he spots and then die, doesn't kill a lot of reds) and be awesome or you might survive almost every game in some bush in some corner without even shooting and have low WN8 because of being useless for team but have awesome survival rate. That's just numbers

 

 

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korbendallas-01 #23 Posted 20 May 2017 - 08:39 AM

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View PostTheDepauperate, on 20 May 2017 - 01:12 AM, said:

YOLO scoting is not rewarded.  I'm pretty sure the max is ~3

 

So it is rewarded. :facepalm:

 

Listen, I don't know why you would defend the honor of WN8, but if you want to, do so by addressing my arguments. Please remember that I already addressed that many aspects of good gaming are part of WN8.

Benefit87 #24 Posted 20 May 2017 - 08:57 AM

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Yolo scouting is punished in wn8 actually.  If you don't do consistent dmg It's useless. If you sit in the back and snipe it's also punished. If your in the front spotting and dealing then you will see stats improve.

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Still one can't be lucky all the time skill has to have a factor in Winning battles

Battles vs Win%

TANK DESTROYER  3177 59.14%
ARTILLERY               1848 59.79%
HEAVY                       3053 59.97%
MEDIUM                    3195 60.69%
LIGHT                        1960 62.14%

korbendallas-01 #26 Posted 20 May 2017 - 09:40 AM

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View PostBenefit87, on 20 May 2017 - 09:57 AM, said:

Yolo scouting is punished in wn8 actually.

 

How so?



Benefit87 #27 Posted 20 May 2017 - 09:53 AM

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View Postkorbendallas-01, on 20 May 2017 - 04:40 AM, said:

 

How so?

If you spot alot of tanks but do less than expected avg dmg it will correspond to a lower wn8 than a player that spots the exact same but does higher dmg. So if you yolo and do no dmg = low wn8.



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View PostBenefit87, on 20 May 2017 - 10:53 AM, said:

If you spot alot of tanks but do less than expected avg dmg it will correspond to a lower wn8 than a player that spots the exact same but does higher dmg. So if you yolo and do no dmg = low wn8.

 

So yolo scouting is not punished, doing little damage is.



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View PostSovietdeath, on 20 May 2017 - 04:27 AM, said:

Still one can't be lucky all the time skill has to have a factor in Winning battles

Battles vs Win%

TANK DESTROYER  3177 59.14%
ARTILLERY               1848 59.79%
HEAVY                       3053 59.97%
MEDIUM                    3195 60.69%
LIGHT                        1960 62.14%

 

that's why I picked tier 9 and 10 to make my hypothesis...i really have questionable skill up there (definitely in tier 10 machines) because I'm too impatient to stay out of the crosshairs of some devastating guns

...my teams have to be carrying me to some degree is all I'm saying...am I, like everyone else, running into God-awful teams? Yes, but maybe it's not as bad as we feel like it is


 

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View Postkorbendallas-01, on 20 May 2017 - 05:41 AM, said:

 

So yolo scouting is not punished, doing little damage is.

 

YoLo Scouting FtW! :playing:

 


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View Postkorbendallas-01, on 20 May 2017 - 08:39 AM, said:

 

So it is rewarded. :facepalm:

 

Listen, I don't know why you would defend the honor of WN8, but if you want to, do so by addressing my arguments. Please remember that I already addressed that many aspects of good gaming are part of WN8.

 

You're kidding right? 

So let me get this straight: You think WN8 rewards YOLO scouting because you get WN8 for spotting a few people per game?  You know what YOLO scouting is right?  And if so, you think that a "pure scout" can't get a few spots while they scout?? 
Assuming both those are true, I can only guess that when you talk about scouting, what you actually mean is hiding in a bush somewhere that's of completely no use to your team.  In which case, then yes, that "scout" would have a deservedly low WN8.

 

You actually haven't addressed really any of my points illustrating how WN8 is still relevant to scouts.  I could quote it again, or you could actually read the posts above regarding all the ways a good scout would increase their WN8 compared to YOLO scouting and how it would be impossible for a YOLO scout to have a good WN8.

I suppose you could also just cherry-pick a few words from a reply, make an obtuse statement about it, likely with some over-generalisation, and move on.  That would work too if your only interest is to troll and misinform rather than have an informed dialogue about how it works and why it's relevant even if imperfect.

As you said, I have no particular reason to "defend" WN8 -- so what does that tell you?  I'm simply pointing out that saying "WN8 doesn't track assisted damage, so its useless for light and medium tanks" is an oversimplification and overstatement at best.  If novice players actually understood how various things impacted WN8 and used that metric to improve their gameplay in light tanks, perhaps everyone would benefit. 



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Individual win rates will always differ greatly however when you look at the overall picture you will never see any win rate on average above 51% for any class, tier, or nation.


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View PostTheDepauperate, on 20 May 2017 - 05:02 PM, said:

You're kidding right?

 

I'm not kidding, I'm trying to get my point across.

 

View PostTheDepauperate, on 20 May 2017 - 05:02 PM, said:

So let me get this straight: You think WN8 rewards YOLO scouting because you get WN8 for spotting a few people per game?  You know what YOLO scouting is right?  And if so, you think that a "pure scout" can't get a few spots while they scout??

 

I'm not comparing a yolo scout player against a proper scout player, and I don't expect the former to have a better WN8. I am comparing the act of yolo scouting (first spotting many reds) against the act of proper scouting (acquiring spots for the entire game). WN8 rewards yolo scouting and ignores proper scouting.

 

View PostTheDepauperate, on 20 May 2017 - 05:02 PM, said:

You actually haven't addressed really any of my points illustrating how WN8 is still relevant to scouts.

 

Yes I have. I agreed all along that WN8 properly reflects many aspects of the game, and most of those do also apply to scouts. It's still useless as a comparison tool as long as the most important activity of scouts is ignored. A scout raises his WN8 by doing medium tank work - which is fine, but medium tanks are better at it.



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Maths can be a serious prob for some. Average win rate if we exclude draws for players at any tier is 50% it always is and always will be so using stats to prove anything here just shows you don't understand stats


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View Postkorbendallas-01, on 20 May 2017 - 08:39 AM, said:

 

So it is rewarded. :facepalm:

 

Listen, I don't know why you would defend the honor of WN8, but if you want to, do so by addressing my arguments. Please remember that I already addressed that many aspects of good gaming are part of WN8.

Ill address one of your points, Averaging spotting damage.. How does that prove that your a good player? You can spot players and still be useless (Like most light tank players). Also how would this impact heavies, Meds itself, TD's and artillery?



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View Postkorbendallas-01, on 20 May 2017 - 06:15 PM, said:

 

I'm not kidding, I'm trying to get my point across.

 

 

I'm not comparing a yolo scout player against a proper scout player, and I don't expect the former to have a better WN8. I am comparing the act of yolo scouting (first spotting many reds) against the act of proper scouting (acquiring spots for the entire game). WN8 rewards yolo scouting and ignores proper scouting.

 

 

Yes I have. I agreed all along that WN8 properly reflects many aspects of the game, and most of those do also apply to scouts. It's still useless as a comparison tool as long as the most important activity of scouts is ignored. A scout raises his WN8 by doing medium tank work - which is fine, but medium tanks are better at it.

What? By firing its gun? :facepalm:

 

 

 

 



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View PostxXlAmbitionzlXx, on 20 May 2017 - 07:44 PM, said:

Averaging spotting damage.. How does that prove that your a good player?

 

:amazed:

 

I rarely do this, but I think this time it's warranted, so I checked your stats. First non-surprise: You have a high WN8. Second: You have two scouts with more than 50 games, a tier I and a tier IV, both with sub-average winrates (accd. to Wotinfo).



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View Postkorbendallas-01, on 20 May 2017 - 07:04 PM, said:

 

:amazed:

 

WN9 :child:

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View PostxXlAmbitionzlXx, on 20 May 2017 - 07:48 PM, said:

View Postkorbendallas-01, on 20 May 2017 - 07:15 PM, said:

A scout raises his WN8 by doing medium tank work - which is fine, but medium tanks are better at it.

 

What? By firing its gun? :facepalm:

 

Yes, a medium tank is better at firing its gun than a light tank.

 

Are you surprised about this?







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