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Matthew J35U5 #1 Posted 01 February 2014 - 09:57 PM

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Alright, so with the T14 being the beta gift for all players, it is an extremely common tank to see in tier 5 games. For players unfamiliar with the T14, it can be quite intimidating to fight against, it has a well-armoured turret, and very well sloped frontal armour. But I am going to tell you the secrets of the T14, so you can kill them easily and not have to worry when you load into a match, and there are 10 T14's on the enemy team.

 

First, the T14's armour values listed in the tech tree is (while accurate) not particularly helpful, because they don't take into account the armour slope that increases the effective thickness of the armour. Taking into account the slope, the T14 has 102 mm of armour on its frontal hull, the side hull is ~76 mm thick on the sloped portion above the tracks, and 100 mm thick if you shoot at the T14's tracks. The rear of the T14's armour is not really any better armoured than its numbers claim if you shoot at a perpendicular surface. The turret on the T14 is 101 mm thick all around, and the frontal turret has a gun mantlet that increases the armour thickness to almost 180 mm if you hit it. 

 

So, what should you do? Well, first of all, the T14 has a recessed MG port on the front of its hull. If you can hit the T14 there, you will penetrate it every time. (I believe that the MG port actually is 50 mm thick). If you have the side of the T14, you can probably penetrate its upper side hull, and if you have the rear of he T14 you can easily penetrate the back.

 

What shouldn't you do? Don't shoot the turret. Because the turret is round, if your round hits at anything other than a perpendicular to the turret it will have a very high chance of bouncing off. Besides that, the turret is just as strong as the frontal armour, so if you struggle to get through the front of a T14, you will struggle just as much to get through the turret of the T14. Do not shoot the lower side hull. To get through the lower side hull, you need a high penetration gun like the 76 mm M1A1 on the M4 Sherman, or the 75L/48 on the Pz. IV, and even those guns have a reasonable chance of bouncing anyways. You will note that aiming at the lower side hull of a T14 will display a "100% penetration" marker. Do not trust this marker, the T14 has spaced armour on its sides, so what the reticle is actually telling you is that your tank as a 100% chance to penetrate the ~20 mm thick spaced armour.

 

What is the gun like on the T14? The T14 gets the same gun as the stock M4 sherman does. It is adequate to penetrate the frontal armour on the Pz. IV, M4 Sherman, the Pz. III/IV, and the StuG III. The T14 struggles to penetrate the Wolverine and the Churchill I. The T14 can't penetrate the frontal armour on the T1 Heavy unless it hits the driver view port. The AT 2 is almost completely impenetrable from any angle against the T14, the only places you can be damaged without the T14 firing APCR is the rear lower hull. 

 

Other strategies that are of use against the T14 are to flank and circle it. The T14 has a very slow turret traverse, and is generally pretty sluggish, making it pretty easy for any tank to circle it. This also makes the T14 very vulnerable to being flanked, because by the time it's able to turn its turret to face you, you can already have put 2 rounds into its rear. Working together with teammates to attack the T14 from two directions is also very effective because it takes a long time to turn itself to face an opponent.

 

So, now that you know how to kill these things... Do it, and stop spamming the forums with rage against the T14 machine!


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Nocturnal814 #2 Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:00 PM

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People just need to learn that toward the rear of the tank on the sides is a major weak spot. One side has the ammorack, the other the fuel tank. Hit either one twice and t14 goes bye bye.

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ox SimWoo xo #3 Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:29 PM

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Lots of money will be saved on head pills. Lots of silver will be saved too!! Great post! I was thinking the reticle marker was a bit fishy. I gave up trying to shoot them from a distance.

 


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EamonnanChnoic #4 Posted 01 February 2014 - 10:50 PM

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+1 helpful tactics instead of whining!

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ScotsmanSteve97 #5 Posted 01 February 2014 - 11:01 PM

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Thanks. I only knew the front turret hatch could be penetrated. But it is a hell of alot easier kill it when its distracted by a light tank.

T4T2FR34K #6 Posted 01 February 2014 - 11:03 PM

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An easier way is to grind out some real tanks...I stopped paying attention to 14's a couple tiers ago.

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TLP DeeJay #7 Posted 01 February 2014 - 11:16 PM

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Funny now they think they're invincible then you rope em' .. Not Whining, but I am getting sick of looking at those B U F F s.. Also funny is the amount of sheer stupidity goin on out there.. They need all that trollish armor because they need time to shoot straight!

 

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Matthew J35U5 #8 Posted 01 February 2014 - 11:26 PM

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View PostT4T2FR34K, on 01 February 2014 - 06:03 PM, said:

An easier way is to grind out some real tanks...I stopped paying attention to 14's a couple tiers ago.

Yeah, pretty much all tier 6 tanks can kill T14's extremely easily. But T14's mostly get into tier 5 games with lots of tier 4's and 3's that can't just laugh at them.


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DrkMage 01 #9 Posted 02 February 2014 - 03:03 AM

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made the climb from tier 3 -5 painful but it is so nice now in my 4 tier 5's to kill them so easy and to know they are getting nowhere fast by playing them all the time. It i also help that most people playign these tanks do not know how to play those tanks and face backwards and side ways to me in my tanks(easy kills) . good article though. first time i faced them, figure all this out in matter of seconds. 

EireUndeadApple #10 Posted 02 February 2014 - 03:06 AM

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i have stoped calling the T14 "T14" and have started calling them "Lunch":teethhappy:.

 

 


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View PostDrkMage 01, on 01 February 2014 - 10:03 PM, said:

made the climb from tier 3 -5 painful but it is so nice now in my 4 tier 5's to kill them so easy and to know they are getting nowhere fast by playing them all the time. It i also help that most people playign these tanks do not know how to play those tanks and face backwards and side ways to me in my tanks(easy kills) . good article though. first time i faced them, figure all this out in matter of seconds. 

The poor play by these T14 drivers makes me feel sad about my 70% winrate in it pre reset.


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The L70 75mm on the StuG chews through these little nuisances.

 



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The rear is still a problem for the Pz 3 and Pz 38 na. The penetration of the 5cm guns can penetrate the T14's rear, but the rear as you said has to be perpendicular in order to damage. If the T14 is slightly angled, the chances of an effective shot are very low. 

 

Edit: Any attempts at shooting the machine gun port from range with lower tier German TD's or the 5cm is literally a hit or miss due to the .4ish and above acurracy.


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If you have no other options, the turret ring is weak too and a bit easier to hit than on most tanks

UA4LIFE #15 Posted 02 February 2014 - 07:11 AM

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Slap a derp cannon on your M4 or Pz.IV and slap 'em around a bit! :trollface:

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Hehe - lunch anyone?

 

(there was a picture here - when looking at preview - of the simpson's lunch lady.  I have still to understand properly how to post pictures):angry:

 

here's your T14 - have a nice day


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View PostUA4LIFE, on 02 February 2014 - 02:11 AM, said:

Slap a derp cannon on your M4 or Pz.IV and slap 'em around a bit! :trollface:

That can work, but you need to get close to them so that you can hit their MG port. If you do, you have a pretty good chance of penetrating for the full 450 damage (did it in my Hetzer today :trollface:). However, if you aren't close enough, the howitzer isn't accurate enough to hit the MG port from range, so you're stuck doing ~100 damage per shot. And instead of firing at about the same speed as the T14, you're now firing about half as quickly. So... It can work, but be cautious. 


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THUMPER1079 #18 Posted 02 February 2014 - 08:14 AM

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I do not have problems with them in my Stug. :justwait:

TiniestAxis3834 #19 Posted 02 February 2014 - 11:16 AM

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"How to kill a T14"

 

 

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I've been killing T14s with ease using the T82 with the 105 howitzer and the T40 with the 105 howitzer, that gun is the definition of derp. T14s never get a chance to advance any closer because the sheer power and blast radius of the HE round tracks them every single time. Much prefer it over the Hetzers version of the gun. It's a one shot kill monster, pretty well at any range as of late. Been getting a heck of a lot of luck tonight shooting this thing with .55 accuracy from just the very edge of the point where I can actually see a spotted enemy and firing.

 

On a side note, This is the first time I have gone down the US TD line further than the T82 and I got to say, their guns are just not exactly up to par with the germans in the lower tiers. But man oh man, that 105 howitzer.. AT2s even go down within 3-4 shots, some how even with all that armor in the front, my shots are still taking like over 100hp each time and effectively keeping them tracked while it happens.


 

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