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WeezyCheez03 #21 Posted 30 June 2017 - 10:00 AM

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Does it get PMM?

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View PostWeezyCheez03, on 30 June 2017 - 06:00 AM, said:

Does it get PMM?

it does according to the Tankopedia



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Great article. I love the look of the tank!

 

I do have one question. Do we have the same exact M3 75mm gun on the Grizzly as compared to the T14 and Ripper/E4? Are there any varying stats between these guns?



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View PostMaxChaos24, on 29 June 2017 - 08:45 AM, said:

Inside Development - Frostbite Grizzly

The creation and release of the Frostbite Grizzly sets a new milestone for the WGCB Development studio. The Grizzly has been the most player-requested tank and we wanted to turn the requests into reality. It was a fun challenge since there was no existing model for us to use, we had to create one. This is the first tank that we've built from scratch and was a new experience and process for us all; we hope you enjoy the results!

This process started in February with having Wargaming's historical services research and provide documentation on surviving Grizzly tanks. They collected information and photographs on 47 different Grizzly tanks from various museums and private collections around the world, providing us with 204 reference photos of various angles and aspects of the tank to base our models on.

From the moment we had all the information needed, the tank took about 5 weeks to build. The building process took multiple steps for modeling, model accuracy, textures and additional research.  The modelers used actual blueprints of the Grizzly to work from, along with the reference photos. For the texture work on the tank, artists used a 600mb text document providing all of the necessary references for paint wear, metal scratches, damage and surface characteristics. The tank then received a paint job to get the Maple Leaf design onto the hull in celebration of Canada's 150th Anniversary.  Then, the tank was rigged and set up for use on the Xbox One and PS4, and later got "baked down" for use on the Xbox 360, which is a one to two day process. We had a blast building this tank and we think the final result is pretty darn cool.  O Canada!

More behind-the-scenes facts:

The Grizzly started off in the US Nation but after some discussion we decided change it to the UK. We came to this decision based on the following:

  • The Grizzly is a Canadian-made tank and is part of the Commonwealth, which would fall under the UK.
  • The UK lacks Premium tanks compared to the US. We always hear players asking for more UK Premiums and we're glad to deliver.
  • The US has three Sherman-based Premium tanks, two of which are tier 5s with similar guns. Adding a third tier 5 US Sherman seems like 1 too many!
  • The UK only has 1 Sherman-based Premium tank and it is a tier 6, so a tier 5 Grizzly is a nice addition to fill in this spot.

What makes the Frostbite Grizzly different from the M4 Sherman?

The Canadian-built Grizzly had quite a few modifications with one of the most noticeable modification being the suspension system. The Grizzly used a 17-tooth drive sprocket along with the Canadian Dry Pin tracks which didn't require rubber. This suspension provided a wider base which you'll see reflected in the terrain resistance and rotation values on the Frostbite.

Frostbite Grizzly

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There was also multiple changes in the the turret with the inclusion of a 2-inch smoke mortar (1), blade site for the Commander (2), rear mounted gun mount (3), stowage boxes (4), gun mount lifting rings (5), gun mantle (6). We also went with the post-war modification of the all around vision cupola (7) instead of the original split hatch to keep the view range at 370m instead of 330m. 

Frostbite Grizzly M4 Sherman
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The hull also shows some modifications. The hull was cast by General Steel's foundry with the noticeable General Steel logo on the front, often referred to as the "Grizzly Badge" (1). Other noticeable additions are the gun travel lock (2) and the applique armor welded over the ammo storage bins (3). 

Frostbite Grizzly M4 Sherman
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On the rear you will see the signature "groove" from hulls cast by General Steel (1). On the left side, the equipment layout was change with the shovel's orientation reversed (2), the track tension wrench and sledge hammer were located alongside the shovel (3), and they also added additional tie downs (4).

Frostbite Grizzly M4 Sherman
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Just like to say enjoying my Grizzly so far nice job. Also I know it probably won't ever happen but anyway you could throw a .50 cal on that machine gun mount it always makes the tank look so much cooler and I know someone over there at wargaming agrees with me since they threw one on the T57 when they remodeled it.

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Too bad the tanks livery is ugly and bland (xD). 

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View PostKilroyWasHere17, on 30 June 2017 - 12:23 PM, said:

Just like to say enjoying my Grizzly so far nice job. Also I know it probably won't ever happen but anyway you could throw a .50 cal on that machine gun mount it always makes the tank look so much cooler and I know someone over there at wargaming agrees with me since they threw one on the T57 when they remodeled it.

 

That wasn't as common on British Commonwealth vehicles. Just watched one of the Tank Talk videos from the Bovington museum. His words were basically the British would just close the hatches and hope the plane went away while the Americans would try to shoot it down. "Which is typical." :)


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I really like the fact that you guys have finally scratch built a new tank for the console players:great:!  I want you guys to keep doing things like this, however I won't be buying this tank as it's not what I want.  If you guys release a plain Grizzly then I'll be the first to buy it.  I actually like the camo too but I don't want it on a tier 5 tank, is their any way you guys can release it as a deluxe premium camo option so I can apply it to my centurion?

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So be it, I'll answer my own question. The mount in front of the driver's position is a siren/horn brush guard, not a handle;



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Hey Max - Is it true that the additional armour plates welded onto the sides of the frostbite are only cosmetic in game?

 

That's a bit poor, if WG was going to go to all the trouble of creating a new tank from scratch couldn't you have included those areas of additional armour on the model?

 

Those small metal plates don't exactly turn it into an OP killing machine you know.


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View PostBrass Drag0n, on 30 June 2017 - 05:15 PM, said:

Hey Max - Is it true that the additional armour plates welded onto the sides of the frostbite are only cosmetic in game?

 

That's a bit poor, if WG was going to go to all the trouble of creating a new tank from scratch couldn't you have included those areas of additional armour on the model?

 

Those small metal plates don't exactly turn it into an OP killing machine you know.

 

It's not cosmetic. It's functional armor providing 48.1mm of protection over your ammo racks instead of the normal 38.1mm side armor.

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View Postgreyweasel UK, on 30 June 2017 - 04:59 PM, said:

So be it, I'll answer my own question. The mount in front of the driver's position is a siren/horn brush guard, not a handle;

 

Sorry about that! Just getting caught up on this thread. 



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View PostMaxChaos24, on 30 June 2017 - 10:19 PM, said:

Sorry about that! Just getting caught up on this thread. 

 

No problem, it was a good excuse to go digging for tank knowledge. :)

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View PostBrass Drag0n, on 30 June 2017 - 09:07 AM, said:

Great article Max, I hope players find it before writing off the Grizzly as bad Ripper clone.

 

Is there any chance that the non-Frostbite version will get added to the UK tech tree?

 

And how about moving the Ram II over from the very crowded US TT into the still pretty empty UK line?

 

Or better yet make the Ram II a dual nation trainer? Brit and US?



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View PostPit Friend, on 30 June 2017 - 02:41 PM, said:

 

That wasn't as common on British Commonwealth vehicles. Just watched one of the Tank Talk videos from the Bovington museum. His words were basically the British would just close the hatches and hope the plane went away while the Americans would try to shoot it down. "Which is typical." :)

Yeah I hear you but the mounts are there and I just love the way a Sherman looks with the machine guns mounted. I hate how on the American M4 Sherman the stock turret had the .50 cal then when you fully upgrade it you lose the .50 which I think its silly that the top package has less detail then the stock.



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Now that I've played it, I'm very happy to see that they buffed the gun handling a bit to go with the mobility and gave it the full 12 degrees gun depression.  It's a nice mobile heavy/scout.  It's definitely not OP and will require some skill to get the most out of, but it's not the complete trash I was worried it might be.  Having said that, on the down side I do think it's a bit overpriced for what it is and think it might have been better as a tier 4 without the mobility/gun handling buffs.

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Max I am so glad you put the Grizzly in the UK tech tree. If it had gone in the US tree many Canucks like myself would have been really pissed off. 

 

We are a British Commonwealth country afteral with a parliamentary government (not a Republic). 

 

Now if you can just add a RAM II in and buff the British (Canadian made Sexton 1) that would be cool too :-) 

 

Max another Canadian premium idea for the future:

 

Canada ran Centurions just like the British, then we ran until recently Leopard 1A3's and 1A5's. 

 



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Shovel to the left vs shovel to the right shows admirable attention to detail.

However you folks forgot the most important piece of equipment for a Canadian tank!

Prototype blueprint provided for your reference. :) 



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View PostATHFjman18, on 30 June 2017 - 06:50 AM, said:

Great article. I love the look of the tank!

 

I do have one question. Do we have the same exact M3 75mm gun on the Grizzly as compared to the T14 and Ripper/E4? Are there any varying stats between these guns?

 

Am I not going to get an official answer concerning the gun stats?



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View PostATHFjman18, on 30 June 2017 - 06:50 AM, said:

Great article. I love the look of the tank!

 

I do have one question. Do we have the same exact M3 75mm gun on the Grizzly as compared to the T14 and Ripper/E4? Are there any varying stats between these guns?

 

View PostATHFjman18, on 01 July 2017 - 12:57 PM, said:

 

Am I not going to get an official answer concerning the gun stats?

 

It doesn't have the same stats. It has 12 degrees of gun depression, faster RoF, and better aim time. 






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