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PLK180W #101 Posted 17 July 2017 - 02:04 PM

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 17 July 2017 - 11:17 AM, said:

Sure. Once I get into the office I'll drop in the stat differences.

Just getting back from a weeks vacation so will have some work to catch up on first, but will definitely be takin it out for a spin. :great:

 

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korbendallas-01 #102 Posted 17 July 2017 - 03:03 PM

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View PostElite Corsair, on 16 July 2017 - 06:09 PM, said:

CKV-1 is the exact same as the TT KV-1 with the 57mm package.

 

I don't think that's accurate.



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Maybe somebody will interesting sorry but isnot English but my crew is English :)



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View PostMaxChaos24, on 16 July 2017 - 10:03 AM, said:

 

It doesn't have base or stock values at all. Not hear defending anything, simply clearing up the misinformation that people are posting. 

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View Postkorbendallas-01, on 17 July 2017 - 10:03 AM, said:

 

I don't think that's accurate.

 

You are correct, the CKV-1 has a better engine than the TT version for no readily apparent reason. 

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Still have no idea what a Charioteer has to do with Dunkirk considering it was a post war design. 

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View PostPit Friend, on 17 July 2017 - 11:01 PM, said:

Still have no idea what a Charioteer has to do with Dunkirk considering it was a post war design. 

Because it has a Cromwell chassis and there were Cromwells that fought at Dunkirk later in the war.....but not actually part of Operation Dynamo? TBH they missed their chance to release the Cromwell Berlin which would've sold like donuts at a cop convention!



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View PostElite Corsair, on 16 July 2017 - 06:09 PM, said:

CKV-1 is the exact same as the TT KV-1 with the 57mm package.  The rest of those apart from the 34-88 follow the same concept of the Vindicator, except the Vindicator has a rapid firing 20lber instead of the slower firing 105 L7 gun

 

​Not true. Captured KV-1 has better engine >better hp to power ratio and also slightly better ground resistance values.

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 17 July 2017 - 06:17 AM, said:

Sure. Once I get into the office I'll drop in the stat differences.

Just getting back from a weeks vacation so will have some work to catch up on first, but will definitely be takin it out for a spin. :great:

 

can you also post if the 20lber gets a better camo after firing rating? I've heard that bigger guns have a worse camo rating after firing than smaller guns, so that could be a small if nearly negligible plus over the 105.

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I am short of money, I would buy the Vindicator if it came with the top package of charioteer, that have Premium HESH shell. That because it is fun to play. But the Vindicator is a good tank. It has the best accuracy among all packages (0.34). It has the best gun, except for the Tier X gun. Has 2300 dpm, close to the top package thats 2316. Seems to be a solid tank, but I wanted the last package, because it is more fun to play with that one.

 

Look at this excel file. Someone in the forum made it, has all the information:

 

https://doc-0c-6k-do...DOXM?e=download



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I am so sorry I bought this Vindicator. The only one that made out on this tank is WG. I feel like a sucker. My only good feeling about this high cost low quality tank is I see hardly one in game play. That is the same on the the Matilda variant in Dunkirk package. I believe players know good from bad tanks. All you need to do is look at what is played. You fooled me once WG, but never again..

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View Postbevenh, on 18 July 2017 - 03:10 AM, said:

I am so sorry I bought this Vindicator. The only one that made out on this tank is WG. I feel like a sucker. My only good feeling about this high cost low quality tank is I see hardly one in game play. That is the same on the the Matilda variant in Dunkirk package. I believe players know good from bad tanks. All you need to do is look at what is played. You fooled me once WG, but never again..

That's why I do my research if I'm considering a tank purchase. If I have never played the TT version of a particular tank, or one very similar, I'll watch lots of reviews and gameplay videos to help me decide if it's the right tank for me. 

 

I'm sorry you bought a tank and found out that you don't like it. It sure would be nice if they would offer something like a 24hr "free trial" for certain premiums like they do on PC.....



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View PostMaxChaos24, on 16 July 2017 - 05:53 AM, said:

 

It shouldn't outperform it. Premium tanks aren't meant to be better than Tech tree tanks.

Just wanted to quote that for the sake of discussions..

 

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I still haven't even seen one in a battle yet.  They must be kemping bush pretty hard...:bush:

 

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OK, let's take a look at some comparisons.  I've edited the Charioteer stats to reflect what we can see in game.  Analysis below:

DPM - It's roughly even with the Challenger and is, IMO, enough to do the job.

Pen - On the low side for a tier 8 TD, but still enough to get the job done.

***Ammo - This is a potential issue.  I would like to see 9k potential (40 rounds).

***Aim Time - By FAR the worst of the comparison, and it's the highest tier of the bunch.  I'd like to see 1.6 or 1.7 to match the Challenger / AT15.

***Accuracy / Dispersion - The T25/2 is an oddball here, being worse than the Hellcat and Jackson and needing it's own buff.  That being said, I'd like to see .30 to match the Challenger / AT15.

***Disperson while moving / traversing - Clearly the worst, yet it is the highest tier.  I think a buff to .22 or .23 is in order.

Disperson on turret traverse - This is probably fine as is.

***Elevation/Depression - Clearly this is a huge limitation.  I am often finding myself unable to shoot targets above me or even on the flat if I am on an incline.  I would like to see 15 elevation and 6 or 7 depression.  Enough to lessen the pain, but not so much as to make the mediums obsolete.

Camo and View Range are comparable to the others, with the T25/2 having the best of both (it's saving grace).

 

From this comparison, it is easy to see why the Vindicator doesn't hold up in combat.  The L7 armed TT version has the advantage of pen and alpha so that it can make each shot count far more.  It also aims in faster after moving thanks to the dispersion after firing of 4.0 vs the Vindicator's 3.5.  Most players don't realize that this number is just as important as Aim Time.


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View PostBrogueOne, on 17 July 2017 - 11:24 PM, said:

Because it has a Cromwell chassis and there were Cromwells that fought at Dunkirk later in the war.....but not actually part of Operation Dynamo? TBH they missed their chance to release the Cromwell Berlin which would've sold like donuts at a cop convention!

 

No Cromwells fought at Dunkirk,  not even later in the war, best we had available were the Cruisers and a few Matilda I + II, oh and some Universal Carriers armed with a Boyes A/T Rifle.
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Dunkirk was besieged by czechoslovak troops, namely the 1st Czechoslovak Armoured Brigade, in 1944/45. They were equipped with Cromwells, Fireflys and Challengers.

 

http://mujweb.cz/ipr...inky/mylek1.htm

Soooo, how a about a Czech Dunkirk Premium, a Challenger with stock gun for 10k gold?



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View PostPanthergraf, on 18 July 2017 - 07:09 AM, said:

Dunkirk was besieged by czechoslovak troops, namely the 1st Czechoslovak Armoured Brigade, in 1944/45. They were equipped with Cromwells, Fireflys and Challengers.

 

http://mujweb.cz/ipr...inky/mylek1.htm

Soooo, how a about a Czech Dunkirk Premium, a Challenger with stock gun for 10k gold?

 

Wasn't aware we gave the Czechs Cromwells, wonder if they received them with the same "enthusiasm" as the British Crews who first got them?

 

(Still think Reskinning the Pz35 as a French Premium would have been better)


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