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BigHundy #181 Posted 19 July 2017 - 09:09 PM

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View PostSprungNickel427, on 19 July 2017 - 03:52 PM, said:

 

​2900 battles I guess is not enough for you to be sick of El Halluf. With this limited rotation, you'd think people would get the message. Heavies here, tds there, mediums over yonder, etc,, but no, so, I'm not happy that maps were removed. It's software, they can work on them without removing them, even if they are flawed. 

 

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Chaos v Order #182 Posted 19 July 2017 - 09:11 PM

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With me. It's not so much as the tank as in the way the lobotomised marketing team think we are.
E.g. If I walked into a car dealers and asked for a certain car and then the dealer replied only if you buy all the cars and we will throw in the car you want for free. I would leave laughing insanely. That what happened with the black tanks and the so called black fv201. Also to mention I was hooked on collecting all the British premium tanks and to put it bluntly WG marketing shot them selfs with that one. The new premiums would have been a certain buy if I was still interested even with the inflated price tag.
I have a new out look regarding premium tank. Even British one. Sub par  Reskin tech tree tanks with over inflated price don't longer interest me. The tank is still a playeble tank and looks fun but too expensive for my taste because hero been put in front of it.

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After almost 100 battles in the Vindicator I've compared it's stats with the TT Charioteer. Boy what a difference. I consider myself a good player and I've tried to squeeze everything out of this Tank but the Vindicator lags behind  in WN8 (3622 vs 2980) and damage (2351 vs 2014), that's way too much for a 12k reskin.

 

YouTube-Reviews diss the Vindicator in general, Forum feedback is bad in general. I've seen only 2 or 3 Vindicators in lobbys so sales are poor so far. 

 

I wonder if the global stats (WR, WN8, damage) will undercut the Kanonenjagdpanzer, the worst performing Premium T8 (besides the Bzazilian Bulldog).



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View PostPanthergraf, on 20 July 2017 - 11:18 AM, said:

After almost 100 battles in the Vindicator I've compared it's stats with the TT Charioteer. Boy what a difference. I consider myself a good player and I've tried to squeeze everything out of this Tank but the Vindicator lags behind  in WN8 (3622 vs 2980) and damage (2351 vs 2014), that's way too much for a 12k reskin.

 

YouTube-Reviews diss the Vindicator in general, Forum feedback is bad in general. I've seen only 2 or 3 Vindicators in lobbys so sales are poor so far. 

 

I wonder if the global stats (WR, WN8, damage) will undercut the Kanonenjagdpanzer, the worst performing Premium T8 (besides the Bzazilian Bulldog).

At least kanonen has it's 70 km/h maximum speed and better camo than even this vindicator. Notice that kanonen doesn't have painjob, so no camo bonus either. And the gun handling on kanonen seems way more better.



Panthergraf #185 Posted 20 July 2017 - 08:39 AM

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View PostSpiker73, on 20 July 2017 - 09:26 AM, said:

At least kanonen has it's 70 km/h maximum speed and better camo than even this vindicator. Notice that kanonen doesn't have painjob, so no camo bonus either. And the gun handling on kanonen seems way more better.

 

 

But even the buffed PC Kanonenjagdpanzer with better top speed, camo, penetration, alpha, dpm, ammo capacity, aim time, accuracy, dispersion, terrain resistance, traverse speed, hitpoints and shell price (!) than the Vindicator...  is the worst performing Premium T8 (wotinfo nerf barometer, last 30 days, EU server).  



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View PostPanthergraf, on 20 July 2017 - 11:39 AM, said:

 

 

But even the buffed PC Kanonenjagdpanzer with better top speed, camo, penetration, alpha, dpm, ammo capacity, aim time, accuracy, dispersion, terrain resistance, traverse speed, hitpoints and shell price (!) than the Vindicator...  is the worst performing Premium T8 (wotinfo nerf barometer, last 30 days, EU server).  

No wounder, when kanonen was on sale it wasn't buffed, and it was really stupid to pay such money for that tank. Most of good players didn't even bothered purchasing this tank. Then, after it's sale was completed, they buffed kanonen really good. But it's never came out on sale since.



John Sosebee #187 Posted 20 July 2017 - 09:02 AM

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Second game in my Vindicator. Fired every round of my ammunition. 

 

 

 

 


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Panthergraf #188 Posted 20 July 2017 - 09:07 AM

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Oh look, the stats of MaxChaos24 went south like Sherman after a few more battles (so did mine): 

 

http://www.wotinfo.net/de/vehicles_extended/stats_historie?playerid=242135&server=XBOX&tankid=34641

 

:P

 

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Edited by Panthergraf, 20 July 2017 - 09:15 AM.


John Sosebee #189 Posted 20 July 2017 - 09:22 AM

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The only changes that I would suggest are giving it 10 more rounds of ammunition, and decreasing the bloom when traversing the hull.  
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Spiker73 #190 Posted 20 July 2017 - 09:37 AM

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View PostJohn Sosebee, on 20 July 2017 - 12:22 PM, said:

The only changes that I would suggest are giving it 10 more rounds of ammunition, and decreasing the bloom when traversing the hull.

Still will be a craphole tank. It needs either 105mm or serious gun handling buff, aim time reduce to 2 sec, turret traverse buff to 25 degrees and slight rof buff. Plus, as you mentioned, shell capacity buff.



jkblackhawk #191 Posted 20 July 2017 - 02:35 PM

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Cmon already I said make it like snakebite faster more dpm more ammo more pen lets have it of course turret speed too let's have it!

Panthergraf #192 Posted 24 July 2017 - 10:14 AM

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I have no clue why I keep playing this turd. You will be trolled and pushed by teammates, called a wallet warrior and get hunted for an easy kill by the reds. I was hunted by a Jagdtiger (!), who left his good position, and ignored several other Greens just to punish me with his boomstick. 

 

Fair enough, it's a beauty.

 

 



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View Postbutsubutsu, on 19 July 2017 - 02:58 PM, said:

 

I agree that premium tanks should not be as good as a fully upgraded TT, but then that must be reflected in the price one pay for the premium tank. And as it is now the premium tanks are bad and expensive, that is really not a very good combination if one wants to sell tanks.

 

This.......  there no excuse for putting out bad or under-performing tanks and then expecting players to shell out insane amounts of real money for them... that's just crazy. Either price the tanks to be comparable to their 'value' or improve the overall quality of the tanks.   Premiums don't always need to be worse then the upgraded TT versions, but they better be priced correctly.

 

This tank is a huge FAIL, no matter how you look at it.


 


 

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 18 July 2017 - 03:30 PM, said:

Alright, I'm back. Here are the differences between the tanks. Let me know if there was something else that I missed. 

 

  Charioteer Stock Vindicator Charioteer Upgraded
Health 1050 1150 1050
Terrain Resistance 1/1.2/2 0.7/0.9/2 0.9/1/1.8
Hull Rotation Speed 34 deg/sec 38 deg/sec 36 deg/sec
Reload 6.6 6 10.1
Aim Time 2.5 2.3 2.4
Accuracy 0.37 0.34 0.35
Dispersion - Movement 0.3 0.26 0.28
Dispersion - Rotation 0.3 0.26 0.28
Engine Power 600 650 650
Power Ratio 19.87 21.53 21.5
DPM 2090.7 2300 2316.6
Pentration 226/258 226/258 268/210
Damage 230/230 230/230 390/480

 

Vindicator Pros:

- More Health

- Better Mobility

- Better Acceleration

- Better Gun Handling

 

Vindicator Cons:

- Slightly worse mobility on soft terrain compared to upgraded version

- 16 less DPM than the upgraded version

- 10 less Penetration than the upgrade version

 

 

 

 

 

Sorry, I had to necropost this. And quote the following from the suggestions forum:

 

Here is what the Hidden Stug (placeholder for Vindicator) gets in comparsion with it's tech tree brother, The Stug III G with all upgrades but the second gun (placeholder for TT Charioteer with 20-pdr A barrel):

 

+ 100 dpm

+ 25 shells (61 vs. 36)

+ 0.10 better aimtime (1.6 vs. 1.7)

+ 0.01 better accuracy (0.34 vs. 0.35)

+ 0.04 better dispersion on the move (0.16 vs. 0.20)

+ 0.04 better dispersion during tank traverse (0.16 vs. 0.20)

+ 3 degr./sec traverse speed (47 vs. 44)

+ 10m viewrange (320 vs. 310)

INSANE camo boost

+ Preferential match making

+ 40% XP Bonus

+ 65% silver bonus

 

Compared with the Elite TT Stug III G with the top gun you get still almost the same DPM for the price of less pen (110 vs. 150), alpha (110 vs. 135) and accuracy (0.34 vs. 0.32) but still way better soft stats AND gun depression (10 vs. 6) AND potential damage (6710 vs. 4860).

 

Conclusion:

 

If I pay 2400 base gold for a Tier 5 TD, I get a worse gun compared with the elite tech tree brother BUT biiiig bonuses as compensation.

 

If I pay 12.200 base gold for a Tier 8 TD, I get I get a worse gun compared with the elite tech tree brother but a pat on the shoulder as compensation.

 

It makes no sense.

 

 



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View PostPanthergraf, on 20 July 2017 - 04:07 AM, said:

Oh look, the stats of MaxChaos24 went south like Sherman after a few more battles (so did mine): 

 

http://www.wotinfo.net/de/vehicles_extended/stats_historie?playerid=242135&server=XBOX&tankid=34641

 

:P

 

I was running tests for an OP bug, needed to just earn 1 point. :P My stats get all jacked up from testing Live issues all the time. :(



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Make it like snakebite needs a buff.

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I paid $80 for a tank nowhere near as good as a tier 7 Scorpion? Yeah I'm stupid, but if this thing isn't SERIOUSLY buffed soon that's it I am done buying anything from WG again.

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View PostPound_A_Ton, on 28 July 2017 - 01:55 PM, said:

I paid $80 for a tank nowhere near as good as a tier 7 Scorpion? Yeah I'm stupid, but if this thing isn't SERIOUSLY buffed soon that's it I am done buying anything from WG again.

They already forgot about crapoteer. We have scorpion g coming in august. Simply a td8 that [edited]up this charioteer vindicator like a child. 



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They will do us justice, they few, the brave that actually paid for this Brit TD! What's the Scorpion G, another TD?

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I bought one and it's basically a first package tt tank in every way with no benefit. So it's my challenge tank now..... cursed as it is. 
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