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korbendallas-01 #61 Posted 16 July 2017 - 04:05 PM

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 16 July 2017 - 11:53 AM, said:

Premium tanks aren't meant to be better than Tech tree tanks.

 

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 16 July 2017 - 10:03 AM, said:

 

It doesn't have base or stock values at all. Not hear defending anything, simply clearing up the misinformation that people are posting. 

 

but it has the same stats(maybe aim time and others not the same) as the TT Charioteer B barrel when you look at it in the packages.

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Max, can you give us the full stats including dispersion on the move etc.?

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View PostHybredXero, on 16 July 2017 - 10:13 AM, said:

 

but it has the same stats(maybe aim time and others not the same) as the TT Charioteer B barrel when you look at it in the packages.

 

​So you're saying that - except in the ways the stats are better - it's exactly the same?

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Hey Max, fancy spending a couple hours this week playing it? Would love to know how it plays and if its enjoyable.

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 16 July 2017 - 10:53 AM, said:

 

It shouldn't outperform it. Premium tanks aren't meant to be better than Tech tree tanks.Players buy them for the bonuses they come with to train crews. Remember we are Free to Play, not pay to win.:great:

 

Sorry Max, but when you have tanks such as Boilermaker, Fury, T34-88, Knight, CKV-1 and I could even argue the Hammer in the game, all with normal MM, and all as good as, or even better, then their TT Equivalents, that argument doesn't hold true anymore.

 

I really like the Chariot, but if I was to buy a Premium version it would have to offer something the TT version doesn't. 

Since the Vindicator has an inferior gun to the fully upgraded Chariot but no PMM, what incentive is there for me to buy it?

 

On a related subject, are there any plans to update the Matilda BP with the AE2 engine to bring it in line with the Defiance and Matilda IV at the same tier?

 


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View PostMaxChaos24, on 16 July 2017 - 10:53 AM, said:

 

It shouldn't outperform it. Premium tanks aren't meant to be better than Tech tree tanks.Players buy them for the bonuses they come with to train crews. Remember we are Free to Play, not pay to win.:great:

 

but you did state it had better stats, but that's not a real issue and to be honest it's not a premium I would buy even if it compared with the TT with top package but at the price I would expect a little more than a silver earning bonus and the ability to change crews and I would at least expect it to share the same gun as the FV4101 as it stands its more of a stop gap between that and the Cromwell heavy AT it just seems a little lazy in the creativity department on WG's part.

As for tanks not being better than TT equivalents T34-88? KV5, Fury? At there tier these are op and the KV5 is a world in front of a stock IS3 or KV4



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View PostPLK180W, on 16 July 2017 - 11:54 AM, said:

 

Sorry Max, but when you have tanks such as Boilermaker, Fury, T34-88, Knight, CKV-1 and I could even argue the Hammer in the game, all with normal MM, and all as good as, or even better, then their TT Equivalents, that argument doesn't hold true anymore.

 

CKV-1 is the exact same as the TT KV-1 with the 57mm package.  The rest of those apart from the 34-88 follow the same concept of the Vindicator, except the Vindicator has a rapid firing 20lber instead of the slower firing 105 L7 gun



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View PostElite Corsair, on 16 July 2017 - 05:09 PM, said:

CKV-1 is the exact same as the TT KV-1 with the 57mm package.  The rest of those apart from the 34-88 follow the same concept of the Vindicator, except the Vindicator has a rapid firing 20lber instead of the slower firing 105 L7 gun

The CKV-1 has 100 more horse power in the engine so is actually better at accelerating than the TT version



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View Postjonnymanz67, on 16 July 2017 - 12:06 PM, said:

 

but you did state it had better stats, but that's not a real issue and to be honest it's not a premium I would buy even if it compared with the TT with top package but at the price I would expect a little more than a silver earning bonus and the ability to change crews and I would at least expect it to share the same gun as the FV4101 as it stands its more of a stop gap between that and the Cromwell heavy AT it just seems a little lazy in the creativity department on WG's part.

As for tanks not being better than TT equivalents T34-88? KV5, Fury? At there tier these are op and the KV5 is a world in front of a stock IS3 or KV4

 

while the t-34-88 is slightly op, the rest aren't.  The reason the KV-5 gets pmm is because the 107 it gets is not competitive for fighting tier 10s.

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View PostMetalSkull21, on 16 July 2017 - 12:14 PM, said:

The CKV-1 has 100 more horse power in the engine so is actually better at accelerating than the TT version

 

Its still a waste of money as its just a soviet TT tank in german camo. WG could have done so much better with that concept as there are real life examples of captured KV-1 tanks that the germans modified.

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View PostPLK180W, on 16 July 2017 - 04:54 PM, said:

 

I really like the Chariot, but if I was to buy a Premium version it would have to offer something the TT version doesn't. 

Since the Vindicator has an inferior gun to the fully upgraded Chariot but no PMM, what incentive is there for me to buy it?

 

 

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View Postjonnymanz67, on 16 July 2017 - 12:06 PM, said:

 

but you did state it had better stats, but that's not a real issue and to be honest it's not a premium I would buy even if it compared with the TT with top package but at the price I would expect a little more than a silver earning bonus and the ability to change crews and I would at least expect it to share the same gun as the FV4101 as it stands its more of a stop gap between that and the Cromwell heavy AT it just seems a little lazy in the creativity department on WG's part.

As for tanks not being better than TT equivalents T34-88? KV5, Fury? At there tier these are op and the KV5 is a world in front of a stock IS3 or KV4

 

Fury is actually slower than the E8 :P

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View PostSgt Becket FEAR, on 16 July 2017 - 05:20 PM, said:

 

Fury is actually slower than the E8 :P

 

​Also has -2 better gun depression, but Fury can mount VertStabs, well worth the trade.

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View PostHypocrite, on 16 July 2017 - 11:37 AM, said:

 

​So you're saying that - except in the ways the stats are better - it's exactly the same?

 

The penetration values and damage are the same.  


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View PostRAGE4BACON, on 16 July 2017 - 12:22 PM, said:

 

​Also has -2 better gun depression, but Fury can mount VertStabs, well worth the trade.

 

Could have sworn E8 can too...LOL haven't looked since I bought Fury back when the movie came out.

 

 


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View PostRAGE4BACON, on 16 July 2017 - 12:22 PM, said:

 

​Also has -2 better gun depression, but Fury can mount VertStabs, well worth the trade.

 

E8 can mount vert stabs, I'm not sure about the gun depression off the top of my head but I thought they were the same as well.

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All of the tanks I stated use, (well apart from T-34-88), a gun from the top package of its equivalent TT variant.

Some, like the CKV-1, Defiance, and arguably the Matilda IV, then get a buff on top of the TT stats, and the T-34-88 can be argued to be better then the TT variants top package. (NIMO though)

 

I mean, if the Vindicator had been fitted with just the B barrel, never mind tweaks to the stats or PMM, it would have been more logical, but fitting it with the A barrel - the stock gun - was just asking for trouble.

 

The stupid thing is, WG already had a Premium in game they could have used for the Dunkirk Op, the Pz35.

Quick Reskin into French Camouflage and it would have given us a very useful low tier French crew trainer.

 

Sure they might not as made as much money per unit, but they might have made more money in total.


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View PostRAGE4BACON, on 16 July 2017 - 05:22 PM, said:

 

​Also has -2 better gun depression, but Fury can mount VertStabs, well worth the trade.

 

Easy 8 can use V/S, as can Jumbo. Only tier IV mediums that can.
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View PostElite Corsair, on 16 July 2017 - 05:20 PM, said:

 

Its still a waste of money as its just a soviet TT tank in german camo. WG could have done so much better with that concept as there are real life examples of captured KV-1 tanks that the germans modified.

 

KV-1 with the 75mm/L48 would have been interesting.
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