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[jonnymanz67]

RAGE4BACON, on 16 July 2017 - 05:22 PM, said:

 

​Also has -2 better gun depression, but Fury can mount VertStabs, well worth the trade.

 

exactly I do a dam sight better in my fury than I ever did in the E8 and at least that was a good reskin not just a camo job .

[PLK180W]

Elite Corsair, on 16 July 2017 - 05:09 PM, said:

CKV-1 is the exact same as the TT KV-1 with the 57mm package.  The rest of those apart from the 34-88 follow the same concept of the Vindicator, except the Vindicator has a rapid firing 20lber instead of the slower firing 105 L7 gun

 

All of those tanks use a gun available in the top packages, and no PMM, (apart from T-34-88)

[abhiop741]

MaxChaos24, on 16 July 2017 - 11:53 AM, said:

 

It shouldn't outperform it. Premium tanks aren't meant to be better than Tech tree tanks.Players buy them for the bonuses they come with to train crews. Remember we are Free to Play, not pay to win.

 

Yes, but here it's a pay to lo lose not really very logical !

[Elite Corsair]

abhiop741, on 16 July 2017 - 01:34 PM, said:

 

Yes, but here it's a pay to lo lose not really very logical !

 

its not P2L, its skill to win (S2W) 

[BrogueOne]

RAGE4BACON, on 16 July 2017 - 05:22 PM, said:

 

​Also has -2 better gun depression, but Fury can mount VertStabs, well worth the trade.

My Easy 8 has Vert Stabs equipped.

[RAGE4BACON]

BrogueOne, on 16 July 2017 - 06:50 PM, said:

My Easy 8 has Vert Stabs equipped.

 

 Yea is my mistake, thought VertStabs began at 7 for the Americans.

[butsubutsu]

I buy most premiums but I bought Injustice 2 instead of the boring Dunkirk tanks. They bring nothing new to the game and they do not seem fun nor cool looking, so no buy from me. 

[PLK180W]

MADMAX_1980_, on 16 July 2017 - 02:31 PM, said:

 

I'm sorry but if you have a great crew and struggling with the TT version. Maybe this ain't the tank for you.The Charioteer fully upgraded is a really good tank with a ave. crew

 

...and how was it stock with an ave. crew?

[Pontiac Pat]

I had a nice post written but it disappeared after I hit 'enter'.  Short version - Max is correct that the stats are, in fact, better than the TT B barrel.  However, they are still insufficient to save the tank.  It feels very tier 7.  The now buffed KJP has the same DPM with better aim/accuracy/pen/depression on a more nimble and more stealthy chassis and is considered 'OK'.  Now that I've played a bit, the Vindicator will surely need a buff to the aim time/dispersion to make it more of a fencer.  An extra degree of two of gun depression would be welcome too.

 

As for all the premiums that are better than their TT versions, yes, there are some that need nerfing (I made a list of suggested nerfs in another thread).  There are also some TT tanks that need buffing (Panther II, T-34-2, TVP VTU and STA-1 all come to mind).

Edited by Pontiac Pat, 16 July 2017 - 11:32 PM.

[FrozenFireStone]

If I had a thousand Gold for every Vindicator Charioteer I have seen so far, I still wouldn't have enough to buy the Vindicator.

[HybredXero]

Hypocrite, on 16 July 2017 - 11:37 AM, said:

 

​So you're saying that - except in the ways the stats are better - it's exactly the same?

 

Actually the only things that are different is the accuracy at .34 for the Vindicator and .35 for the TT, the ROF at 10 for the Vindicator and 9.52 on the TT, and a camo rating of 60 for the Vindicator and 51 for the TT.  So marginal differences, but still doesn't make it worth buying.

 

 

Edited by HybredXero, 16 July 2017 - 11:27 PM.

[roccojoseph]

For that much gold I want more than a paint job if I gonna buy a tier 8 premium tank or even tier 7  for that much gold it better have something special going on because im not buying a tank  for the showboating otrr looking good to battle in

[HybredXero]

roccojoseph, on 16 July 2017 - 06:45 PM, said:

For that much gold I want more than a paint job if I gonna buy a tier 8 premium tank or even tier 7  for that much gold it better have something special going on because im not buying a tank  for the showboating otrr looking good to battle in

 

has a 50% silver bonus and the 10% xp bonus....let's not forget those.

[oboeslayer]

pingwrx, on 15 July 2017 - 01:57 PM, said:

 

I think that movie is gonna bomb anyways  alot of people are not into those type of movies anymore especially the younger generation.

Im going to see it because it's directed by Christopher Nolan. I'm a huge fan of Interstellar, one of my favorite all time movies. He's an absolute artist and I'm curious to see what he does with this movie and its setting. I'm 21 btw

[OC Ghost Hunter]

oboeslayer, on 16 July 2017 - 11:53 PM, said:

Im going to see it because it's directed by Christopher Nolan. I'm a huge fan of Interstellar, one of my favorite all time movies. He's an absolute artist and I'm curious to see what he does with this movie and its setting. I'm 21 btw

Agreed

[Panthergraf]

After a handful of games (16) the impressions are a mixed back. Aimtime/dispersion are a negative, same with gun depression. If you are familiar with the TT Charioteer, you know what to expect. A fragile fast machine with poor armor, hitpoints, viewrange and turret traverse.

Biggest Pros: Camo seems to be a factor, the high ROF (4.8 secs reload with Rammer, BIA and pudding, no vents) is nice for finishing off wounded deer and if you miss a shot, the next one follows fast. You don't sit around waiting 8.5 secs like in the TT Charioteer. Pen/Goldpen are workable even in TIer X battles. Low shell cost and many hits due to high ROF and okay pen: Big $$$.

Biggest Cons: Besides armor, hitpoints, dispersion on the move, low alpha and gun depression: 35 rounds ammo capacity is waaaay to low with a high ROF. Please add at least 5 shells, WGA!

So far I've been doin good, even better than in the TT Charioteer. But I wait for at least 100 battles for a final conclusion. On paper the Vindicator is a poor Premium TD, a nerfed version of a TT tank with high skill ceiling. In the wrong hands it's a speedy coffin. It's way too expensive. It will be a very rare tank on the battlefield.

Disclaimer: I play the Vindicator with 15/20/0 ammo load, binos, camo net, rammer, prem med/rep/food and a highly skilled crew incl. SS, BIA, snakebite, all camo and viewrange skills, repair, smooth ride, snap shot, off-road driving.

[Libarate]

So I just unlocked the 105 on my TT Charioteer and the difference is night and day. All of a sudden I can shoot, be spotted,  reverse into cover and feel like I have hurt someone rather than just annoy them. No way would I go back to the 20pdr.

[MaxChaos24]

Panthergraf, on 16 July 2017 - 11:14 AM, said:

Max, can you give us the full stats including dispersion on the move etc.?

Sure. Once I get into the office I'll drop in the stat differences.

RAGE4BACON, on 16 July 2017 - 11:46 AM, said:

Hey Max, fancy spending a couple hours this week playing it? Would love to know how it plays and if its enjoyable.

Just getting back from a weeks vacation so will have some work to catch up on first, but will definitely be takin it out for a spin. 

[RAGE4BACON]

MaxChaos24, on 17 July 2017 - 11:17 AM, said:

Sure. Once I get into the office I'll drop in the stat differences.

Just getting back from a weeks vacation so will have some work to catch up on first, but will definitely be takin it out for a spin. 

 

​No worries, just be sure to film your session with it. If you can place top 7 of the board every game for 2 hours.. ill take back what I said and will personally buy one also.

[Doctor_Who_22]

FrozenFireStone, on 16 July 2017 - 05:26 PM, said:

If I had a thousand Gold for every Vindicator Charioteer I have seen so far, I still wouldn't have enough to buy the Vindicator.

This is good.....and so true!!!