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scwirpeo #21 Posted 15 July 2017 - 11:23 PM

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Naw OP tanks you can only buy are indeed pay to win.

 

Especially when they are being specifically engineered to powercreep older premiums. If they buy once they might buy twice is probably WGs goal here.


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Hammer=\=P2W

 

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No disrespect OP but which Premium tank can be purchased that "buys wins"?

 

If red has five Premiums and green has five Premiums, the losing Premiums should get a refund by your "logic".

 

A Premium promises a win no more than a skill shell promises a pen.  Sheesh man.



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I was going to ask the same thing.

What mythical/magical tank is this that guarantees %100 wins and purple stats ? Because i want it !!!!!!


 

 


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View PostUSSWISCONSIN94, on 15 July 2017 - 06:12 PM, said:

You sound like a poster boy for WG. You don't get it do you?

LOL, no. I would say that the game is definitely pay to advance faster, but not pay to win. I wish free xp didn't exist, too many new players in high tiers. Then again, I free xp'd a lot because I had already gotten a lot of tanks on PC or my other Xb1 account. Don't have the time to regrind.


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View PostWarsteiner 1, on 15 July 2017 - 08:05 PM, said:

I was going to ask the same thing.

What mythical/magical tank is this that guarantees %100 wins and purple stats ? Because i want it !!!!!!

None. Otherwise I would have bought it and for my entire clan as well.


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View PostTurbo_RB20, on 16 July 2017 - 01:58 AM, said:

LOL, no. I would say that the game is definitely pay to advance faster, but not pay to win. I wish free xp didn't exist, too many new players in high tiers. Then again, I free xp'd a lot because I had already gotten a lot of tanks on PC or my other Xb1 account. Don't have the time to regrind.

Free XP isn't a bad thing. They will get there sooner or later. Sadly there are idiots in all tiers. Not just 10.


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View PostTurbo_RB20, on 16 July 2017 - 12:16 AM, said:

How many threads do you have about p2w? Holy crap man. Let it go already. Premium tanks aren't p2w because bad players will still do bad. I wreck 131's all the time with my non premium tier 5's and 6's. All I see 131 players do is spam full apcr, still get wrecked, do no damage and lose. When a prem tank makes all red players super uni and have positive win rates, then maybe. P2w means PAY TO WIN. You're missing the point on ALL of your threads. Do these in game mechanics increase WINrate? No? Then it's not pay to WIN. Just because you see a prdmium tank player with a lot of damage on the winning team, doesn't mean anything. Check their stats, bet they're a good player. You show us all consistent proof of a bad player doing really good in a premium tank, instead of opinions and speculation, and your point will have some validity to it. Where's this p2w proof? Where's your control test? You can't be comparing brand new players with fresh accounts with purple players with 8+ skilled crews that played for years and have that time invested. That's not pay to win. It's skill vs no skill. Let's set up a control test. We find 2 players with matching stats and battles, I'll pay them both to make new accounts, one will have access to all premium benefits, the other can only use what he earns. They both go up the exact same tank line so we have a control test. I'll fund it. At the end of, say a month? Which ever account has better stats, shows the proof. I'll set it in motion if you want to?

LOL over performing premiums like sexton, 34-88, pz 5/4, tiger 131 and so on are seriously Pay to win. I seriously can t understand how anyone can think anything else. All those tanks are way better than tech tree counterparts so you are paying for serious advantage over non paying players. Your excuses about bad players still being bad is irrelevant.

 

I have no idea why you compare bad players to good players when you should compare success of one player with or without premium tank or with or without food/ premium time/ premium rounds and so on 

 

Redshadowriter said it just right... Pay to win isn t just about winning but about serious advantages when comparing paying and non paying players 

 

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I really dont understand why people keep saying the Tiger 131 is OP? most of the time i come across these they are not to much trouble.

 

Never thought I hear a tier 7 tank that uses the 88 L/56 to be OP. smh.



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View Postjbolt13, on 16 July 2017 - 10:10 AM, said:

I really dont understand why people keep saying the Tiger 131 is OP? most of the time i come across these they are not to much trouble.

 

Never thought I hear a tier 7 tank that uses the 88 L/56 to be OP. smh.

 

It over performs other tanks in its tier and it even have preferred matchmaking... How it is not over powered compared to tech tree tanks? Also that gun have better penetration stats than other same guns 

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View Postmikkoj, on 16 July 2017 - 08:24 AM, said:

 

It over performs other tanks in its tier and it even have preferred matchmaking... How it is not over powered compared to tech tree tanks? Also that gun have better penetration stats than other same guns 

 

Better pen stats dont really mean much on 88s, at the end of the day its caliber is still a 88, and quite a bad one at that (the L/56) even with the extra pen, if they did remove its PMM, it would never be able to fight most tier 8/9s.

 

Though to be honest I think it should of been a tier 6 tank, as to avoid all those issues.



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guess only 131 players will defend the 131 not being p2w haha

even red wn8 players in Tiger 131 yoloing in tier 7 matches can take out 2 tanks (out dpm and more health than other tanks)

I have recently been grinding the panther and the match is very much decided by how many 131s are on both sides


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View Postmikkoj, on 16 July 2017 - 02:59 AM, said:

LOL over performing premiums like sexton, 34-88, pz 5/4, tiger 131 and so on are seriously Pay to win. I seriously can t understand how anyone can think anything else. All those tanks are way better than tech tree counterparts so you are paying for serious advantage over non paying players. Your excuses about bad players still being bad is irrelevant.

 

I have no idea why you compare bad players to good players when you should compare success of one player with or without premium tank or with or without food/ premium time/ premium rounds and so on 

 

Redshadowriter said it just right... Pay to win isn t just about winning but about serious advantages when comparing paying and non paying players 

 

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"Pay to win isn't just about winning" Hahaha, do you not understand what pay to WIN means? I know, reading is hard. So you find me proof, where a red player has super uni stats and high win rates in these so called "OP tanks". So, until you show valid proof, your theories are biased on opinion.

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View PostTurbo_RB20, on 16 July 2017 - 04:17 AM, said:

 

"Pay to win isn't just about winning" Hahaha, do you not understand what pay to WIN means? I know, reading is hard. So you find me proof, where a red player has super uni stats and high win rates in these so called "OP tanks". So, until you show valid proof, your theories are biased on opinion.

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View PostReaper0fGamez, on 16 July 2017 - 04:13 AM, said:

guess only 131 players will defend the 131 not being p2w haha

even red wn8 players in Tiger 131 yoloing in tier 7 matches can take out 2 tanks (out dpm and more health than other tanks)

I have recently been grinding the panther and the match is very much decided by how many 131s are on both sides

I don't own a 131 and I don't think it's OP.


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View PostUSSWISCONSIN94, on 16 July 2017 - 04:17 AM, said:

So are yours then.

You got me there. But still. I'd like to see proof.


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View PostTurbo_RB20, on 16 July 2017 - 11:17 AM, said:

 

"Pay to win isn't just about winning" Hahaha, do you not understand what pay to WIN means? I know, reading is hard. So you find me proof, where a red player has super uni stats and high win rates in these so called "OP tanks". So, until you show valid proof, your theories are biased on opinion.

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View PostTurbo_RB20, on 16 July 2017 - 04:19 AM, said:

You got me there. But still. I'd like to see proof.

Stats compared to the other tier 7 Heavies don't mean anything why?


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View PostTurbo_RB20, on 16 July 2017 - 05:18 PM, said:

I don't own a 131 and I don't think it's OP.

 

Why is it not OP then? 

It has crazy reload and dpm. With that lot of hitpoints, an average player would cause havoc or perform better otherwise than without those p2w stats of the tank. 

 

when determining whether a premium tank is OP and p2w or not, we often look at same tier counterparts

Lets just compare it with the Tiger than yeah? So with those better dpm stats, what the Tiger 131 loses from a tech tree tiger?

penetration loss arent significant when you have pmm and theres always the option of premmos. 


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View PostReaper0fGamez, on 16 July 2017 - 04:27 AM, said:

 

Why is it not OP then? 

It has crazy reload and dpm. With that lot of hitpoints, an average player would cause havoc or perform better otherwise than without those p2w stats of the tank. 

 

when determining whether a premium tank is OP and p2w or not, we often look at same tier counterparts

Lets just compare it with the Tiger than yeah? So with those better dpm stats, what the Tiger 131 loses from a tech tree tiger?

penetration loss arent significant when you have pmm and theres always the option of premmos. 

It's not OP because it doesn't make a bad player good. I never see 131's do well. I wreck them in my tier 5's.


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