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Turbo_RB20 #41 Posted 16 July 2017 - 09:34 AM

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View Postmikkoj, on 16 July 2017 - 04:22 AM, said:

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"Games that let you buy better gear or allow you to make better items then everyone else at a faster rate and then makes the game largely unbalanced even for people who have skill in the game without paying."

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So you're saying that premium tanks make red tomatoes, super unicum? Really now. I guess skill has no factor, it's obviously about money, lol. A bad player will still be bad in any tank. Prove otherwise and i'll admit I'm wrong.


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View PostTurbo_RB20, on 16 July 2017 - 05:30 PM, said:

It's not OP because it doesn't make a bad player good. I never see 131's do well. I wreck them in my tier 5's.

 

Good for you then

Lately I've seen plenty of average players driving 131 and taking top spots in the team 

 

and the fact that you can wreck them in a bottom tier vehicle isnt the point here. The problem lies in its dpm and ability to out-trade 2 same tier tanks by yoloing. 


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View PostReaper0fGamez, on 16 July 2017 - 04:34 AM, said:

 

Good for you then

Lately I've seen plenty of average players driving 131 and taking top spots in the team 

 

and the fact that you can wreck them in a bottom tier vehicle isnt the point here. The problem lies in its dpm and ability to out-trade 2 same tier tanks by yoloing. 

If they're average player taking top spots, then their team didn't play their best. Also, screenshots? I've never seen a 131 out dpm 2 equal tier tanks. Those 2 players must have been special. I really want to see video proof of this.


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View PostBlack RL, on 15 July 2017 - 06:12 AM, said:

Tiger 131

 

Right but isn't the Tech Tree Tiger I fully upgraded better than any of the Tiger premiums?

 

Isn't that Grind 2 win?

 

I'm sure a purple in anything will beat a yellow in anything everytime no matter what.


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View PostTurbo_RB20, on 16 July 2017 - 11:34 AM, said:

So you're saying that premium tanks make red tomatoes, super unicum? Really now. I guess skill has no factor, it's obviously about money, lol. A bad player will still be bad in any tank. Prove otherwise and i'll admit I'm wrong.

 

How that is point any way? If you play tiger 1 and tiger 131 in similar mach 131 is more capable tank because it have better DPM and see only tier 8 tanks. Therefore you bought better item(tank) than you can get as free to play player  with real money. There is clear advantage. Play match with Pz 5/4 and any other tier 5 medium tank, witch tank will perform better? 5/4 again of course witch you bought with real money. Again free to player can t get that better performing tank. How that isn t pay to win? Clearly you buy better performance compared to your own free to play performance level  with tech tree tanks

Even bad players perform better in p2w tanks than tech tree tanks. How that is not pay to win? 


Edited by mikkoj, 16 July 2017 - 10:09 AM.

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mikkoj #46 Posted 16 July 2017 - 10:11 AM

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View PostEamonnanChnoic, on 16 July 2017 - 11:51 AM, said:

 

Right but isn't the Tech Tree Tiger I fully upgraded better than any of the Tiger premiums?

 

Isn't that Grind 2 win?

 

I'm sure a purple in anything will beat a yellow in anything everytime no matter what.

 

It used to be that way with old premium tanks but these newer premium tanks like 131 are better than tech tree counterparts 

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2-marks: lycan, amx chaffee, Brazilian bulldog, bulldog, T49, Ru 251, amx 13 90, WZ- 132A, Sheridan, T44, CDC, sta1, type59, M46, pta leo, t54, T1, bogatyr, kv2, hammer, is, tiger 2, löwe, kv4, m103, st1, T10, jagdpanther, e25, t28, t30,E8, gorynch (33 tanks)

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View Postmikkoj, on 16 July 2017 - 05:08 AM, said:

 

How that is point any way? If you play tiger 1 and tiger 131 in similar mach 131 is more capable tank because it have better DPM and see only tier 8 tanks. Therefore you bought better item(tank) than you can get as free to play player  with real money. There is clear advantage. Play match with Pz 5/4 and any other tier 5 medium tank, witch tank will perform better? 5/4 again of course witch you bought with real money. Again free to player can t get that better performing tank. How that isn t pay to win? Clearly you buy better performance compared to your own free to play performance level  with tech tree tanks

Even bad players perform better in p2w tanks than tech tree tanks. How that is not pay to win? 

 

Show me proof of these bad players getting an advantage? SHOW ME. I buy better performance? Lol, I rarely play my premiums, not enough to effect my stats. 

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View PostTurbo_RB20, on 16 July 2017 - 12:15 PM, said:

 

Show me proof of these bad players getting an advantage? SHOW ME. I buy better performance? Lol, I rarely play my premiums, not enough to effect my stats. 

 

Look at my top 10 WN8... How many premium tanks you see? 

http://wotinfo.net/e...3549&server=PS4

Or look those winrates, average damage, survival%....? 

Yeah you are clearly right premiums don t effect stats 


Edited by mikkoj, 16 July 2017 - 10:22 AM.

3-marks: Chaffee, PZ 5/4, VK 30.02 M, Cromwell knight, 34-88, T26E4, Churchill 3, T29, E75, conqueror, ELC, snakebite, T32  (13 tanks)

2-marks: lycan, amx chaffee, Brazilian bulldog, bulldog, T49, Ru 251, amx 13 90, WZ- 132A, Sheridan, T44, CDC, sta1, type59, M46, pta leo, t54, T1, bogatyr, kv2, hammer, is, tiger 2, löwe, kv4, m103, st1, T10, jagdpanther, e25, t28, t30,E8, gorynch (33 tanks)

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View Postmikkoj, on 16 July 2017 - 05:11 AM, said:

 

It used to be that way with old premium tanks but these newer premium tanks like 131 are better than tech tree counterparts 

 

Your most played tank is a premium tank, the Type 59 and your stats aren't super uni in it. So, please explain how premium tanks make you far superior? Lol, fail.

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View Postmikkoj, on 16 July 2017 - 05:18 AM, said:

 

Look at my top 10 WN8... How many premium tanks you see? 

http://wotinfo.net/e...3549&server=PS4

Or look those winrates, average damage, survival%....? 

Yeah you are clearly right premiums don t effect stats 

That proves nothing, you're a good player. SHOW ME A RED PLAYER WITH SUPER UNI STATS. Not an already good player. Or can't you?


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View Postmikkoj, on 16 July 2017 - 05:18 AM, said:

 

Look at my top 10 WN8... How many premium tanks you see? 

http://wotinfo.net/e...3549&server=PS4

Or look those winrates, average damage, survival%....? 

Yeah you are clearly right premiums don t effect stats 

Look at mine. 5 out of 10 are premiums, only 2 of the 5 premiums are any good, the rest are terrible premiums and all of them are barely played. The E25 and T 34 88 have low battles, I only used them to get my last few crew skills for my max crew. They're good tanks, but not pay to win. E25 can't carry games due to low ammo count and the 88's gun handling feels more Russian than German, and the 88 gets no silver bonus so it can get costly to run. I see players doing terrible in them all the time. I have a better solution, let's ban all the super uni's so then the potatoes have nothing to cry about. Well, they get to go back to crying about arty and tier 10 TD's.


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View PostTurbo_RB20, on 16 July 2017 - 12:24 PM, said:

 

Your most played tank is a premium tank, the Type 59 and your stats aren't super uni in it. So, please explain how premium tanks make you far superior? Lol, fail.

Does type have better stats in any way than other tier 8 mediums? That just indicates it is not pay to win depending from sample size of players 

View PostTurbo_RB20, on 16 July 2017 - 12:28 PM, said:

That proves nothing, you're a good player. SHOW ME A RED PLAYER WITH SUPER UNI STATS. Not an already good player. Or can't you?

It proves that i perform better with those premiums compared to tech tree counterparts witch means pay to win. It is all about comparing difference between tech tree tank performance to premium tank performance. If premium perform way better than tech tree tanks on regular basis it is not balanced and therefor pay to win.  

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Look at mine. 5 out of 10 are premiums, only 2 of the 5 premiums are any good, the rest are terrible premiums and all of them are barely played. The E25 and T 34 88 have low battles, I only used them to get my last few crew skills for my max crew. They're good tanks, but not pay to win. E25 can't carry games due to low ammo count and the 88's gun handling feels more Russian than German, and the 88 gets no silver bonus so it can get costly to run. I see players doing terrible in them all the time. I have a better solution, let's ban all the super uni's so then the potatoes have nothing to cry about. Well, they get to go back to crying about arty and tier 10 TD's.

http://wotinfo.net/e...er=7&server=ps4

Most players perform best WN8 wise with 131 and e25 when comparing to other tier 7 tanks 

 

Only tier 7 heavy tank stats difference is huge comparing to tt tiger 

http://wotinfo.net/e...er=7&server=ps4


Edited by mikkoj, 16 July 2017 - 11:11 AM.

3-marks: Chaffee, PZ 5/4, VK 30.02 M, Cromwell knight, 34-88, T26E4, Churchill 3, T29, E75, conqueror, ELC, snakebite, T32  (13 tanks)

2-marks: lycan, amx chaffee, Brazilian bulldog, bulldog, T49, Ru 251, amx 13 90, WZ- 132A, Sheridan, T44, CDC, sta1, type59, M46, pta leo, t54, T1, bogatyr, kv2, hammer, is, tiger 2, löwe, kv4, m103, st1, T10, jagdpanther, e25, t28, t30,E8, gorynch (33 tanks)

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View Postmikkoj, on 16 July 2017 - 06:08 AM, said:

Does type have better stats in any way than other tier 8 mediums? That just indicates it is not pay to win depending from sample size of players 

It proves that i perform better with those premiums compared to tech tree counterparts witch means pay to win. It is all about comparing difference between tech tree tank performance to premium tank performance. If premium perform way better than tech tree tanks on regular basis it is not balanced and therefor pay to win.  

http://wotinfo.net/e...er=7&server=ps4

Most players perform best WN8 wise with 131 and e25 when comparing to other tier 7 tanks 

 

Only tier 7 heavy tank stats difference is huge comparing to tt tiger 

http://wotinfo.net/e...er=7&server=ps4

 

Still no proof I see. Keep trying.

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Well, the Grizzly, Vindicator and Defiance aren't OP for sure so if that's any indication of a trend.....

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View Postmikkoj, on 16 July 2017 - 05:08 AM, said: 

It proves that i perform better with those premiums compared to tech tree counterparts witch means pay to win. It is all about comparing difference between tech tree tank performance to premium tank performance. If premium perform way better than tech tree tanks on regular basis it is not balanced and therefor pay to win.  

 

Most players perform best WN8 wise with 131 and e25 when comparing to other tier 7 tanks 

 

 

 

One thing that becomes an issue when using one person's ststs is did the player play the P2W tank and TT tank (after fully upgraded) while said player had same experience or gudness level?

 

An example can be used in my experience.....when I was kinda scrbby, my LTTB stats were yellow. They now are 3 marked purple.  


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To be fair, when you compare the TT Tiger I's numbers to the newer premium versions like 131, you have to remember that it was an underwhelming tank that was seen as a joke until WG buffed it almost two years after WoT was released on Console.

 

So, of course the difference is pretty large. The original Tiger I was a far cry from the OP monster we have now.


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Premium tanks have certainly boosted my stats across the board but so has having  Premium Time, converting xp into free xp to skip past lousy tank packages, and the use of premium ammo.  All and any if the above is pay to win.


 

 


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View PostMr Crowley ll, on 16 July 2017 - 07:08 AM, said:

Premium tanks have certainly boosted my stats across the board but so has having Premium Time, converting xp into free xp to skip past lousy tank packages, and the use of premium ammo. All and any if the above is pay to win.
 

 

Sorry bro, Premium items merely provide a means but it takes some talent to exploit the opportunity.

 

Put a tree skipper in a T34 and a grinder in a T32.  While to T34 offers greater payout potential, it doesn't guarantee it.  The grinder in the T32 will use what he learned to unlock that tank and get more silver and XP than the gold duster.  Run out in the open with all those gold purchased goods and see ya live longer, let alone rains money at the end of the game to ya.  Put the T34 in the hands of a skilled player and yes, he'll do well but he didn't buy those skills, he earned them.

 

If the OP titled the thread "Pay for Potntial", I'd be agreeing instead of rebutting.



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View PostTurbo_RB20, on 16 July 2017 - 05:25 AM, said:

 

Still no proof I see. Keep trying.

No matter what GT you use, you always do the same thing that is most annoying. You require everyone but yourself to provide "proof" of their statements.  I don't agree with everything that the OP said, but understand there are degrees in every opinion expressed on this forum.  You continue to parade your opinions as fact also with no proof.  Personally, I don't care who is right, but this game is one of those that I have played, that very few players rise to the top level through experience and skill only.  If it weren't the case, the number of potatoes in the top tiers would be much less.  I have accepted the fact that I am just average and always be.  At my age, my hand eye coordination will never be what it was.  However, it doesn't make me blind to other possibilities.  AND...NO,  I AM NOT GOING TO PROVE IT!


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