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Otis Z Firefly #21 Posted 17 November 2017 - 03:57 AM

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View PostTotenkopf333, on 05 November 2017 - 05:12 AM, said:

How does having a flag or symbol that is historiclay right when used on a Tank from same period be wrong? Tiger 1 my favorite tank ,Best and most played should if I wanted 2 be cable of having German flag or Swastika ,iron cross or whatever 

 

It shocking that you have to ask this. Are you German? 
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GeneralZap1 #22 Posted 07 December 2017 - 02:36 AM

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I didn't know the IJN flags still has the rays from the sun occasionally, neato.

It is a travesty that the Nazi flag isn't allowed, yet a flag, indeed, a banner of dozens and dozens of millions of deaths is perfectly OK to worship because "They won."
I'm sure Wargaming didn't think of it this way as much as a way to get it to the German/Australian censoring markets.

I do however wish we could offend people who believe it is politically correct to ignore history.

Sgt EaZy E #23 Posted 18 January 2018 - 01:06 PM

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It's the physical location of the servers and it's IP addresses not the actual law that really matters German laws have no jurisdiction anywhere other than in Germany. So why band them in the United States, North American server or any of its IP addresses. Not knowing the past your bound to repeat it in the future.

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During the Sensei / Choose your Dojo event, the cherry blossom insignia was offered for sale for Japanese tanks. Can't help but thinking this was an intentional replacement for the Chrysanthemum, the Emperor's personal insignia and symbol of wartime Japan's imperial conquests. Shouldn't come as a surprise this would offend people descended from those affected by Japan's recorded atrocities in mainland China and the Korean Peninsula.

 

Some things are better left in the past and shouldn't be used for profit or display in what is, at it's core, a digital past time, no matter its attempts to be historically accurate.   



CovfefeCreeper #25 Posted 05 April 2018 - 07:04 PM

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because then you will get a lot of trumptards and righties playing the game with nazi flags
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View PostThrillhelm, on 11 November 2017 - 05:06 PM, said:

No one wants swastikas in this game because it offends too many people, it causes too many legal problems, and simply you don't want modern day nazis attract to your game.

Yes...because having an historically accurate flag is going to suddenly attract millions of Neo Nazi's to the game. 


 


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View PostCovfefe Dotard, on 05 April 2018 - 02:04 PM, said:

because then you will get a lot of trumptards and righties playing the game with nazi flags

Another logical response. 

 

Because obviously the tens of millions who voted Trump are all closet Nazi's. Including the black, hispanic, and other ethnic voters...right? 

 

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View PostAelgyn, on 09 November 2017 - 05:17 PM, said:

 

The Nazis didn't target only the Jewish people. They also went after Roma, Slavs, homosexuals, Communists, and those that were mentally and physically handicapped. Roma people, in particular, were targeted for extermination just like the Jewish people. The swastika should remind us of all these victims not just of some of them.

 

They also went after Freemasons, roughly 70,000, regardless of nationality.

 

View PostCovfefe Dotard, on 05 April 2018 - 01:04 PM, said:

because then you will get a lot of trumptards and righties playing the game with nazi flags

 

This is the dumbest [edited]I've ever read on forums. 


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x Der Meister x #29 Posted 28 April 2018 - 02:09 PM

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I think the whole idea of censorship in any form is dumb. These flags should be in the game for historical reasons.

The only reason people are so PC about s*** like this is because they've grown up in a culture thats told them that they should be outraged. Similar to the whole Confederate Flag issue. Do you think most would give a damn about that 100+ year old flag if the media didn't harp on it?  

Same thing with these two. The majority wouldn't bat an eye had these flags been in the game from day one. But because they are made out to be "taboo"...they are looked at as such.

In closing: Yes, WWII was awful. Yes, Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were awful. But that was 70+ years ago! Kinda hypocritical for gaming companies to profit off making games based on this "terrible" time period...but then leave out certain aspects because they were...terrible? Seems legit.

Why yes! Sure you can drive the vehicles that helped enslave Europe and parts of Asia. Sure you can use those same vehicles to blow up Shermans, and other Allied tanks that your grandfather might have actually died in. But having an historical flag in game? NEIN!

 


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View Postx Der Meister x, on 28 April 2018 - 02:09 PM, said:

I think the whole idea of censorship in any form is dumb. These flags should be in the game for historical reasons.

The only reason people are so PC about s*** like this is because they've grown up in a culture thats told them that they should be outraged. Similar to the whole Confederate Flag issue. Do you think most would give a damn about that 100+ year old flag if the media didn't harp on it?

Same thing with these two. The majority wouldn't bat an eye had these flags been in the game from day one. But because they are made out to be "taboo"...they are looked at as such.

In closing: Yes, WWII was awful. Yes, Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were awful. But that was 70+ years ago! Kinda hypocritical for gaming companies to profit off making games based on this "terrible" time period...but then leave out certain aspects because they were...terrible? Seems legit.

Why yes! Sure you can drive the vehicles that helped enslave Europe and parts of Asia. Sure you can use those same vehicles to blow up Shermans, and other Allied tanks that your grandfather might have actually died in. But having an historical flag in game? NEIN!

 

Completely agree 

 

Like cod ww2 removing stuff for the Multiplayer 

 

If you try & sweep history under the rug there's more chance of it repeating itself 



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This is no place to call people trumptards/righties and connecting them/me to Nazi Germany. They (Germany) OWN that [edited]not me, not anyone in my family or anyone I know.

 

Too many touchy feely people wanna go cry in a corner at conflict or "seeing something hurts me whaaa." It happened, it's history, fact and no getting around it. Learn from it.

 

My guess would also be if they put Nazi flags in game there would be a lot of people banned for physics abuse for killing said flag flying team mates.

 

I guess they need to ban the Three Stooges too.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 


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On a un related note love the three stooges, imported the boxset of there storts etc on dvd the other year

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View Postx Der Meister x, on 28 April 2018 - 09:09 AM, said:

I think the whole idea of censorship in any form is dumb. These flags should be in the game for historical reasons.

The only reason people are so PC about s*** like this is because they've grown up in a culture thats told them that they should be outraged. Similar to the whole Confederate Flag issue. Do you think most would give a damn about that 100+ year old flag if the media didn't harp on it?

Same thing with these two. The majority wouldn't bat an eye had these flags been in the game from day one. But because they are made out to be "taboo"...they are looked at as such.

In closing: Yes, WWII was awful. Yes, Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan were awful. But that was 70+ years ago! Kinda hypocritical for gaming companies to profit off making games based on this "terrible" time period...but then leave out certain aspects because they were...terrible? Seems legit.

Why yes! Sure you can drive the vehicles that helped enslave Europe and parts of Asia. Sure you can use those same vehicles to blow up Shermans, and other Allied tanks that your grandfather might have actually died in. But having an historical flag in game? NEIN!

 

It isn't a matter of being politically correct that the Nazi flag isn't in the game on Wargamings end. It comes down to the Nazi flag (and other symbols) simply being banned by a court of law in some countries. Wargaming wants to be able to sell their product to as many countries as possible so has made these items as historically accurate as possible without violating these laws. That's it.

 

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I've read this entire thread and I'm still a little confused.  Why does anyone care about having a historical flag that can only be seen by them in their garage?  AFIK, Germany never put the swastika on their tanks.  If this were the WOW forum, I could understand but this is WoT.

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The German flag used in WoT is actually the "Reichskriegsflagge" used by the Wehrmacht just without the Swastika, furthermore they had 3 different Flags during 1933-1945. A lot of the German Tanks has also nothing to do with the 3. Reich so any use of a Swastika would be historical incorrect as its the actual flag. All they had in common is the "Balkenkreuz", a Military Symbol used for 100's of years in Germany, and its not an "Iron Cross". If anyone, especially some Germans who posted in here, feels the need to have swastikas on their tank, which they did not in history, they may are really just a Hitler fanboy rather than historical correct.

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View PostPanthergraf, on 20 August 2017 - 12:58 PM, said:

Swastika and other Symbols of the 3rd Reich in games are banned by law in many countrys. Soviet isn't. That's all. There's nothing to discuss.

 

The swastika is banned in some socialist countries, essentially to calm the allies who had become wary of socialism after it caused genocide and the Second World War. The hammer and the sickle are not forbidden.

 

Another thing, the swastika would not be valid for all the German tanks, to display the swastika it would take another German TT tree and it would be necessary to separate the German tanks between these two different TT trees.

 

 

 


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View PostSightlessRogue0, on 24 September 2018 - 08:45 AM, said:

 

The swastika is banned in some socialist countries, essentially to calm the allies who had become wary of socialism after it caused genocide and the Second World War. The hammer and the sickle are not forbidden.

 

Another thing, the swastika would not be valid for all the German tanks, to display the swastika it would take another German TT tree and it would be necessary to separate the German tanks between these two different TT trees.

 

 

 

Swastika is banned in Germany, for good reason not for beeing a socialist country. Actually i would like to know which socialist countries you are refering to. 

 

Swastika wouldnt be valid on any german tank as they were never a official sign on Tanks used or planned by the Wehrmacht. 

 

Sry to say but get your "alternative" facts straight Mate. 






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