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Reaper0fGamez #1 Posted 23 September 2017 - 11:43 AM

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Yup another Ace Tanker bug rant and I expect people to ask me git gudder in the best tank on wot:B

 

Seriously though,

I had 2 really good games in this pos (which is rare),

one being bottom Tier (Game 1), one being Top Tier (Game 2)

but still I couldnt get an Ace...

 

Here's Game 1 bottom Tier on El Halluf

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I think being able to even make 10 shots in this pos is hard enough, and this is a tier 9 match 

Over 5K combined in a Tier 9 match is only 1st Class? Fine, that was 1.7K base exp only so I have to 'GIT GUD" ight?

 

What about this Top tier game in Caen where I earned over 2K base?

Spoiler

 

I mean comon cuh, dont tell me no one is playing this tank so that the ace requirement is harder than normal, I've seen this tank in at least 50% Tier 7-9 games I play today (it can't be that rare)

 

Whats worse, I actually managed to pen 13 out of 15 shots in this thing but still only 1st Class, I really doubt I'd be given an Ace even if I pen the other 2 shells in such a game. 

What more can I do? 

 

Normally you would be able to ace a Tier 8 tank with 6K raw damage before the ATM issue arose (since 3.4 update)

 

Heck, educate me how easy is it to even make 15 accurate penetrated shots with the god awful gun arc and camo and mobility and everything in this tank?:angry:

 

Im done with this and I have to move on to the Borsig after hitting 2 marks in this pos, probably the worst tank I've ever played in

Another tank added to my list of tank Im never gonna ace :sceptic:

 


3 MOE: Pz. IV  H, Tiger (P), VK 100.01 (P), Rhm.-Borsig, WT auf Pz. IV, Challenger, M26 Pershing, Type 59, T-44, M4A1 Revalorisé,

ST-I, AMX ELC bis, Boilermaker, O-I EXP, AMX 50 100, Type 61, E 75, T-54, Crusader, WZ-132, IS-3, E 50, 110, T29, T-10, Object 416

 


MASHMAN 90 #2 Posted 23 September 2017 - 12:07 PM

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It's about XP earned not damage so 2k base must not be enough for the Ace.

In my Churchill 3, It took around 2300-2400 Base XP for my Ace.

Reaper0fGamez #3 Posted 23 September 2017 - 12:15 PM

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View PostMASHMAN 90, on 23 September 2017 - 08:07 PM, said:

It's about XP earned not damage so 2k base must not be enough for the Ace.

In my Churchill 3, It took around 2300-2400 Base XP for my Ace.

 

lol says who

Ofc it is about exp, but what give u exp is damage and assist damage 

 

Dont compare the standards for OP premium tanks with non-premium tanks, let alone the Sturer Emil

 

and no, before people started noticing the ace tanker issue, you could get an ace below 2K base exp 

Why? Because ATM standard  is supposed to be updated weekly 

 

And 2K base is the standard for high tier tanks to ace

You rarely deal enough damage in low tier games to get 2K exp 

 

EDIT: and hey, you seem to have aced the Stuerer Emil, what about u tell me how much dmg or exp you deal or earned to get an Ace instead of citing seal clubbers Churchill 3? 


Edited by Reaper0fGamez, 23 September 2017 - 12:22 PM.

3 MOE: Pz. IV  H, Tiger (P), VK 100.01 (P), Rhm.-Borsig, WT auf Pz. IV, Challenger, M26 Pershing, Type 59, T-44, M4A1 Revalorisé,

ST-I, AMX ELC bis, Boilermaker, O-I EXP, AMX 50 100, Type 61, E 75, T-54, Crusader, WZ-132, IS-3, E 50, 110, T29, T-10, Object 416

 


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View PostReaper0fGamez, on 23 September 2017 - 12:15 PM, said:

 

lol says who

Ofc it is about exp, but what give u exp is damage and assist damage 

 

Dont compare the standards for OP premium tanks with non-premium tanks, let alone the Sturer Emil

 

and no, before people started noticing the ace tanker issue, you could get an ace below 2K base exp 

Why? Because ATM standard  is supposed to be updated weekly 

 

And 2K base is the standard for high tier tanks to ace

You rarely deal enough damage in low tier games to get 2K exp 

 

EDIT: and hey, you seem to have aced the Stuerer Emil, what about u tell me how much dmg or exp you deal or earned to get an Ace instead of citing seal clubbers Churchill 3? 

 

I can't remember, and i only play my Church during XP or Place Finishers Op which is like 2-3 weeks a month so yeah... I prefer Revalorise anyway.

I'm grinding Tortoise and WT auf Pz IV now and 35k xp from Grille 15.

But far as i know it sets on a Tuesday or Wednesday and later in the week, harder it is for an Ace but some tanks like Church 3, Object 140 (that isn't a seal clubbing tank), probably FV215b 183 and some others are hard to Master due to popularity.

I hated the Sturer but i didn't know about angling, hull down etc back then so i played it as a Paper T95, Last time i played it properly was when Airfield wasn't blocked off near Ocean as i'd sit just on the edge shooting down the river. It's been changed since.



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Also shooting Higher Tiered targets gives out more XP and Silver :)

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WG: We are looking into it, soon TM

Reaper0fGamez #7 Posted 23 September 2017 - 12:37 PM

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Edited by Reaper0fGamez, 23 September 2017 - 12:38 PM.

3 MOE: Pz. IV  H, Tiger (P), VK 100.01 (P), Rhm.-Borsig, WT auf Pz. IV, Challenger, M26 Pershing, Type 59, T-44, M4A1 Revalorisé,

ST-I, AMX ELC bis, Boilermaker, O-I EXP, AMX 50 100, Type 61, E 75, T-54, Crusader, WZ-132, IS-3, E 50, 110, T29, T-10, Object 416

 


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View PostMASHMAN 90, on 23 September 2017 - 08:30 PM, said:

 

I can't remember, and i only play my Church during XP or Place Finishers Op which is like 2-3 weeks a month so yeah... I prefer Revalorise anyway.

I'm grinding Tortoise and WT auf Pz IV now and 35k xp from Grille 15.

But far as i know it sets on a Tuesday or Wednesday and later in the week, harder it is for an Ace but some tanks like Church 3, Object 140 (that isn't a seal clubbing tank), probably FV215b 183 and some others are hard to Master due to popularity.

I hated the Sturer but i didn't know about angling, hull down etc back then so i played it as a Paper T95, Last time i played it properly was when Airfield wasn't blocked off near Ocean as i'd sit just on the edge shooting down the river. It's been changed since.

 

I see, cuz my clan mates all aced the Sturer Emil with like 3.5k to 4.5k dmg 

reason why Im so frustrated is that, and I bet all players who had the Emil knows too, it is hard to perform well or crazily good in it

 

with respect I bet u aced urs with less exp/ dmg than my 2 games above

Thats why u hated it like everyone else, it simply is one of the worst tanks in the game lolz :trollface:

Therefore the standard is supposed to be low, corresponding the tank's use (if it has any at all)

 

but as a side note, Im going for the Grille 15 as well, after playing for awhile im tired of slow tanks

but i guess i have to get used to the low mobility on rhm borsig and the WT auf IV :medal:

 


3 MOE: Pz. IV  H, Tiger (P), VK 100.01 (P), Rhm.-Borsig, WT auf Pz. IV, Challenger, M26 Pershing, Type 59, T-44, M4A1 Revalorisé,

ST-I, AMX ELC bis, Boilermaker, O-I EXP, AMX 50 100, Type 61, E 75, T-54, Crusader, WZ-132, IS-3, E 50, 110, T29, T-10, Object 416

 


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View PostReaper0fGamez, on 23 September 2017 - 12:37 PM, said:

 

I see, cuz my clan mates all aced the Sturer Emil with like 3.5k to 4.5k dmg 

reason why Im so frustrated is that, and I bet all players who had the Emil knows too, it is hard to perform well or crazily good in it

 

with respect I bet u aced urs with less exp/ dmg than my 2 games above

Thats why u hated it like everyone else, it simply is one of the worst tanks in the game lolz :trollface:

Therefore the standard is supposed to be low, corresponding the tank's use (if it has any at all)

 

but as a side note, Im going for the Grille 15 as well, after playing for awhile im tired of slow tanks

but i guess i have to get used to the low mobility on rhm borsig and the WT auf IV :medal:

 

 

Correct it said my Max XP was 1,451 so that must be my Ace but was less skilled players back then including myself. I sold Sturer 4-5 times before i ended the grind but was so worth it. Think i was one of the lucky ones tbh.

I had the Waffle E-100 but i prefer the Grille so been grinding Baby Waffle a second time, Only thing i dislike is the gun depression (which Sturer has ironically), the Borsig is worth it so worth the grind. My Baby Waffle has the Jagtiger gun (560 dmg) and 276 pen which is nice.

View Range = 445 ish without Awareness and then i have Binos on top, it's strange that Baby Waffle can spot further than an MT-25 and from further away as even going down Lake i couldn't spot far and Waffle i could sit back at top of rock and spot 3/4 of the Lake.



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I do agree that 2k base should be an Ace in Sturer unless so many are doing well in their bottom tier games :)

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I tried playing that tank, but the lack of speed and paper armor made me want to harm myself. :P 

 

 


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It's irrelevant to talk about combined damage as XP awarded for damage varies a lot depending on who you are damaging.

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View PostPortableNuke, on 23 September 2017 - 09:06 PM, said:

It's irrelevant to talk about combined damage as XP awarded for damage varies a lot depending on who you are damaging.

 

so you are saying 4.5k raw dmg as bottom tier and 6.1k raw dmg as top tier is not enough for the Sturer Emil?

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It should be enough to get an ace.  But there is a bug and the ace badges are broken.

And even though WG has committed to having better communication, they still won’t communicate the exact problem nor the time frame for correction.


 


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View PostReaper0fGamez, on 23 September 2017 - 01:35 PM, said:

 

so you are saying 4.5k raw dmg as bottom tier and 6.1k raw dmg as top tier is not enough for the Sturer Emil?

 

You're missing the point, I'm not saying that's not enough damage. Aces are awarded on base xp, not damage. When you are top tier you receive less XP for damaging lower tiers than you would as bottom tier damaging top tier tanks, so talking about damage numbers is kinda meaningless. Your base xp of 2062 was still high and you were unlucky to miss it.

 

I've had a similar experience in the Mutant, this was only a 1st class:

 

 

This was an Ace:

 

 

Being top tier seems to make it less likely that you will receive an Ace, regardless of XP. I'm just speculating though.


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2150 base experience and I only have a first class in it. You just gotta get that base exp a little higher man.

 

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View PostPortableNuke, on 23 September 2017 - 10:16 PM, said:

 

You're missing the point, I'm not saying that's not enough damage. Aces are awarded on base xp, not damage. When you are top tier you receive less XP for damaging lower tiers than you would as bottom tier damaging top tier tanks, so talking about damage numbers is kinda meaningless. Your base xp of 2062 was still high and you were unlucky to miss it.

 

I've had a similar experience in the Mutant, this was only a 1st class:

 

 

This was an Ace:

 

 

Being top tier seems to make it less likely that you will receive an Ace, regardless of XP. I'm just speculating though.

 

I get what you mean now, and thats true. 

It was strange though, ofc sometimes you get even less exp if you dont actually see the target you shot ( i think like only 0.5 of what you would otherwise get if you can see the target urself)

 

As to whether top tier or bottom tier makes u less likely to ace, I think thats not directly relevant. 

It still falls down to the tier of targets you shoot.

 

But aside all these, there are just more and more compelling ATM issues. 

I mean, 2K for this crappy tank should be enough.

It buffles me even further when I see Senshi STA-2 getting ATM with 1.6K base exp


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ST-I, AMX ELC bis, Boilermaker, O-I EXP, AMX 50 100, Type 61, E 75, T-54, Crusader, WZ-132, IS-3, E 50, 110, T29, T-10, Object 416

 






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