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Radicalspeeder #221 Posted 17 January 2018 - 04:05 AM

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View PostMASHMAN 90, on 16 January 2018 - 07:15 PM, said:

 

What if Soviets win? then they have their first Sherman Tank and wouldn't be a US Tank, Regardless of whether it "sucks" or not, it's still a FREE tank and losing nation simply not buy it 

Free is the tomte L-60. No time, money or effort spent to get it. Earning is when you spend time and effort to obtain the vehicle. The M4 is not "Free" when you have to furfill objectives in order to get it.


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Well I thought that I´ll try to go for the ussr with su85b and KV-1, but since I figured that the actual prize which I value is the 1.25 xp and silver bonus leading to tankbowl not the free tank, I went for the US since i have M6A2E1 "silverminer" and I grind the towards T95 and last but not least, i have no interesting grinds in soviet tree.... all in all I still have a outside shot for this prized tank. Win win situation for me

salomon2007 #223 Posted 17 January 2018 - 08:31 AM

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View PostYCS-186, on 17 January 2018 - 11:18 AM, said:

 

...Did the game really need a fifth premium 75mm Sherman, let alone one that's worse than the other four in almost every way? I feel sorry for this poor tank, being born into the world inferior compared to its siblings (which already require their PMM to stay competitive). :(

 

Champion M4 Sherman Spec is just as same as M4A2E4's (Ripper's) one. So I think Champion M4 is not worst Sherman. I have now 2 premium tanks on Tier5MT of USSR (Matilda IV, Fighting Girlfriend  T-34) and this tank would be 3rd premium Tier5MT tank of USSR, if USSR might win. As a collector, basically I don't want to miss any premium tanks. Especially earning tank for free is must-get tank, I think.:B  


Edited by salomon2007, 17 January 2018 - 12:32 PM.


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Glad i bought my prem tanks at a time when WG wasnt completely lunatic lol

Pawel Broda 73 #225 Posted 17 January 2018 - 10:13 AM

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Very very bad stats.

No armor on upper fron plate, no armor on front turret.

Gun IV'th tier from M3 Lee.

No gun deprssion (only -5 degrees)

Very slowly turning both turret and hull.

Worst accuracy.

No pen, only 92mm.

No camuflage.

Only view range is bright side of this tank, 370 metes.baisicly.

Tier: 5

Type: Medium

  • Matchmaking: Plays up to Tier 6
  • 50% Silver Bonus Earn
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  • Hit Points: 460
  • Engine Power: 440 hp
  • Power/Weight Ratio: 14.69 hp/ton
  • Speed Limit: 48 km/h
  • Hull Traverse Speed: 35 deg/sec
  • Hull Armor: 51/38/38
  • Turret Armor: 64/64/64
  • Turret Traverse Speed: 37 deg/sec
  • Penetration: 92/127/38
  • Damage: 110/110/175
  • Aim Time: 2.1 sec
  • Accuracy: 0.46
  • Gun Caliber: 75 mm
  • Rate of Fire: 15.79 rounds/min
  • Max Ammo Capacity: 90 rounds
  • View Range: 370 m
  • Signal Range: 570 m

M4 Champion Compare to M4A2E4 Ripper ( https://console.worl...usa/A44_M4A2E4/ )

-20 points of health (M4A2E4 has 480 HP)

- 9% points to silver bonus (M4A2E4 has +59% to earning silver)

-5% to XP bonus (M4A2E4 has +45%)

-14mm front armor (M4A2E4 has 65mm)

-4 km/h max speed (M4A2E4 has 52 km/h)

-12mm turret armor (M4A2E4 has 76mm)

 

What a pity.

 



MASHMAN 90 #226 Posted 17 January 2018 - 10:27 AM

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View PostRadicalspeeder, on 17 January 2018 - 04:05 AM, said:

Free is the tomte L-60. No time, money or effort spent to get it. Earning is when you spend time and effort to obtain the vehicle. The M4 is not "Free" when you have to furfill objectives in order to get it.

 

True mate but you don't have to spend money on it :)

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View PostMASHMAN 90, on 17 January 2018 - 06:27 AM, said:

 

True mate but you don't have to spend money on it :)

 

But you are spending time, and effort in attempt to get points to choose your team and to earn completions.

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View PostRadicalspeeder, on 17 January 2018 - 11:35 AM, said:

 

But you are spending time, and effort in attempt to get points to choose your team and to earn completions.

 

that's true too, some say that Time is more valuable than Money :)

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View PostMASHMAN 90, on 17 January 2018 - 07:42 AM, said:

 

that's true too, some say that Time is more valuable than Money :)

 

True, especially since my free time is much more valuable because I have college things to do mostly.

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View PostPawel Broda 73, on 17 January 2018 - 07:13 PM, said:

Very very bad stats.

No armor on upper fron plate, no armor on front turret.

Gun IV'th tier from M3 Lee.

No gun deprssion (only -5 degrees)

Very slowly turning both turret and hull.

Worst accuracy.

No pen, only 92mm.

No camuflage.

Only view range is bright side of this tank, 370 metes.baisicly.

Tier: 5

Type: Medium

  • Matchmaking: Plays up to Tier 6
  • 50% Silver Bonus Earn
  • 40% XP Bonus Earn
  • Hit Points: 460
  • Engine Power: 440 hp
  • Power/Weight Ratio: 14.69 hp/ton
  • Speed Limit: 48 km/h
  • Hull Traverse Speed: 35 deg/sec
  • Hull Armor: 51/38/38
  • Turret Armor: 64/64/64
  • Turret Traverse Speed: 37 deg/sec
  • Penetration: 92/127/38
  • Damage: 110/110/175
  • Aim Time: 2.1 sec
  • Accuracy: 0.46
  • Gun Caliber: 75 mm
  • Rate of Fire: 15.79 rounds/min
  • Max Ammo Capacity: 90 rounds
  • View Range: 370 m
  • Signal Range: 570 m

M4 Champion Compare to M4A2E4 Ripper ( https://console.worl...usa/A44_M4A2E4/ )

-20 points of health (M4A2E4 has 480 HP)

- 9% points to silver bonus (M4A2E4 has +59% to earning silver)

-5% to XP bonus (M4A2E4 has +45%)

-14mm front armor (M4A2E4 has 65mm)

-4 km/h max speed (M4A2E4 has 52 km/h)

-12mm turret armor (M4A2E4 has 76mm)

 

What a pity.

 

 

Champion M4 Sherman is modified version of M4 Sherman (tech-tree) . Hull armor and Turret armor is one of M4 Sherman M4A1(76) package. Gun is a stock package of M4 Sherman.

So Champion M4 Sherman has "stock gun" and "M4A1 turret" with "PMM" and silver & XP bonus (because it is premium tank)  Its appearance looks alike "Fury" with lots of sand bags.:teethhappy:

I don't know the Champion M4 gun depression is 5° or not. From where you got this spec info ? Just guessing from USSR depression (maybe 10 or 8 at lowest)


Edited by salomon2007, 17 January 2018 - 03:16 PM.


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View PostRarefication, on 15 January 2018 - 12:59 PM, said:

If the M4 Champion isn't a dual trainer, then the incentive to win the reward tank goes to the Soviets. I mean, who needs another M4 that trains only American crews, when one can have the first M4 in multi-player that trains Soviet crews?

 

I wholeheartedly agree with this.  Last year's tank was first a tier VII and second a dual trainer.  Very attractive despite the short comings of the tank itself in the view of some players.  But this year the reward seems downgraded to a tier V single nation trainer.  Another Sherman and American trainer at that? Come on!

At least a Lend Lease tier VI Sherman (modified by USSR) would have been a perfect opportunity for a dual Soviet/American Dual trainer: unprecedented in WoT!


 

The event will go on and some people will participate and others won't.  But I thought the reason for these events was to get more action in the queue and more players to come over to tank and generate activity all over WoT.  If the incentive and activity is diminished what's the point?



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View PostPawel Broda 73, on 17 January 2018 - 10:13 AM, said:

Very very bad stats.

No armor on upper fron plate, no armor on front turret.

Gun IV'th tier from M3 Lee.

No gun deprssion (only -5 degrees)

Very slowly turning both turret and hull.

Worst accuracy.

No pen, only 92mm.

No camuflage.

Only view range is bright side of this tank, 370 metes.baisicly.

Tier: 5

Type: Medium

  • Matchmaking: Plays up to Tier 6
  • 50% Silver Bonus Earn
  • 40% XP Bonus Earn
  • Hit Points: 460
  • Engine Power: 440 hp
  • Power/Weight Ratio: 14.69 hp/ton
  • Speed Limit: 48 km/h
  • Hull Traverse Speed: 35 deg/sec
  • Hull Armor: 51/38/38
  • Turret Armor: 64/64/64
  • Turret Traverse Speed: 37 deg/sec
  • Penetration: 92/127/38
  • Damage: 110/110/175
  • Aim Time: 2.1 sec
  • Accuracy: 0.46
  • Gun Caliber: 75 mm
  • Rate of Fire: 15.79 rounds/min
  • Max Ammo Capacity: 90 rounds
  • View Range: 370 m
  • Signal Range: 570 m

M4 Champion Compare to M4A2E4 Ripper ( https://console.worl...usa/A44_M4A2E4/ )

-20 points of health (M4A2E4 has 480 HP)

- 9% points to silver bonus (M4A2E4 has +59% to earning silver)

-5% to XP bonus (M4A2E4 has +45%)

-14mm front armor (M4A2E4 has 65mm)

-4 km/h max speed (M4A2E4 has 52 km/h)

-12mm turret armor (M4A2E4 has 76mm)

 

What a pity.

 

 

The Champion also has 2 deg/sec worse traverse & turret traverse than the M4A2E4. 


But then again, it wouldn't really make sense to give away a Crème de la crème tank, hopefully the Champion will at least have a killer look! :)

 

 



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View PostBeta582, on 16 January 2018 - 05:31 PM, said:

 

So it is basically a slightly worse Grizzily. Wow...

 

And why was the M4A2 76(W) thrown out the window? It was the prefect candidate for this as a US produced lend-lease vehicle to Russia that would be unique as well as competitive...

 

 

EDIT: Added image.

This would have been a great unique edition, and wouldn’t need pmm to make it somewhat competitive.



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View PostNetoAH5, on 17 January 2018 - 09:15 AM, said:

 

I wholeheartedly agree with this.  Last year's tank was first a tier VII and second a dual trainer.  Very attractive despite the short comings of the tank itself in the view of some players.  But this year the reward seems downgraded to a tier V single nation trainer.  Another Sherman and American trainer at that? Come on!

At least a Lend Lease tier VI Sherman (modified by USSR) would have been a perfect opportunity for a dual Soviet/American Dual trainer: unprecedented in WoT!


 

The event will go on and some people will participate and others won't.  But I thought the reason for these events was to get more action in the queue and more players to come over to tank and generate activity all over WoT.  If the incentive and activity is diminished what's the point?

 



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View Postsalomon2007, on 17 January 2018 - 08:31 AM, said:

 

Champion M4 Sherman Spec is just as same as M4A2E4's (Ripper's) one. So I think Champion M4 is not worst Sherman.

 

Nope. Compared to the Ripper, the Champion has much worse frontal hull armor, worse frontal turret armor, worse aim time, worse hull and turret traverse, lower top speed, and lower silver/xp bonuses. The only advantages the Champion has are better side and rear turret armor, better engine, and a better horsepower-per-ton ratio, which don't even come close to making up for all the areas it's worse in. If you don't already own a Ripper or similar tank then I can see why you might want it, but for someone like me who already owns a Ripper, M4A2E4 (unskinned Ripper), and Frostbite Grizzly, there's no point in doing all that work for a worse version of three tanks I already own.

 

Anyhow, good luck winning one.


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View PostPawel Broda 73, on 17 January 2018 - 05:13 AM, said:

Very very bad stats.

No armor on upper fron plate, no armor on front turret.

Gun IV'th tier from M3 Lee.

No gun deprssion (only -5 degrees)

Very slowly turning both turret and hull.

Worst accuracy.

No pen, only 92mm.

No camuflage.

Only view range is bright side of this tank, 370 metes.baisicly.

Tier: 5

Type: Medium

  • Matchmaking: Plays up to Tier 6
  • 50% Silver Bonus Earn
  • 40% XP Bonus Earn
  • Hit Points: 460
  • Engine Power: 440 hp
  • Power/Weight Ratio: 14.69 hp/ton
  • Speed Limit: 48 km/h
  • Hull Traverse Speed: 35 deg/sec
  • Hull Armor: 51/38/38
  • Turret Armor: 64/64/64
  • Turret Traverse Speed: 37 deg/sec
  • Penetration: 92/127/38
  • Damage: 110/110/175
  • Aim Time: 2.1 sec
  • Accuracy: 0.46
  • Gun Caliber: 75 mm
  • Rate of Fire: 15.79 rounds/min
  • Max Ammo Capacity: 90 rounds
  • View Range: 370 m
  • Signal Range: 570 m

M4 Champion Compare to M4A2E4 Ripper ( https://console.worl...usa/A44_M4A2E4/ )

-20 points of health (M4A2E4 has 480 HP)

- 9% points to silver bonus (M4A2E4 has +59% to earning silver)

-5% to XP bonus (M4A2E4 has +45%)

-14mm front armor (M4A2E4 has 65mm)

-4 km/h max speed (M4A2E4 has 52 km/h)

-12mm turret armor (M4A2E4 has 76mm)

 

What a pity.

 

 

​WOT you still have time to change this to decent tank or even another tank. How about a Premium version of the Hellcat ( with the 90mm ) and make it a dual trainer.




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