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vampyrii #101 Posted 13 January 2018 - 02:58 PM

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I am amazed no one said so far, that the VK100.01 P is so much better than this nerfed to death version of the Defender.  Same alpha damage but faster reload, better gun handling, some might say even superior armor. And you don't need real money to get one.


 

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View Postvampyrii, on 13 January 2018 - 08:58 AM, said:

I am amazed no one said so far, that the VK100.01 P is so much better than this nerfed to death version of the Defender.  Same alpha damage but faster reload, better gun handling, some might say even superior armor. And you don't need real money to get one.

 

I think I saw it mentioned somewhere though. That cupola on the VK100 is not a "weak point" that I've been able to consistently exploit in any of my T6 or T7 tanks.


 


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View Postvampyrii, on 13 January 2018 - 02:58 PM, said:

I am amazed no one said so far, that the VK100.01 P is so much better than this nerfed to death version of the Defender.  Same alpha damage but faster reload, better gun handling, some might say even superior armor. And you don't need real money to get one.

 

I won't deny the VK 100.01 P is OP and that too needs a cupola and lower plate nerf slightly as a weaker Maus.

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View Postvampyrii, on 13 January 2018 - 02:58 PM, said:

I am amazed no one said so far, that the VK100.01 P is so much better than this nerfed to death version of the Defender.  Same alpha damage but faster reload, better gun handling, some might say even superior armor. And you don't need real money to get one.

 

At some point i do need to do that tank for the Maus.

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The only reason that I would buy this tank for the ridiculous price of 14k gold would be if it was OP, but even if the other stats are strong, having worse dispersion values than the T-34-3 really puts me off of it.

 

Why didn't the patriot get a nerf?


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View PostAnonymousHobo69, on 13 January 2018 - 03:44 PM, said:

The only reason that I would buy this tank for the ridiculous price of 14k gold would be if it was OP, but even if the other stats are strong, having worse dispersion values than the T-34-3 really puts me off of it.

 

Why didn't the patriot get a nerf?

 

Because everyone wasn’t freaking out over it.  WG has gone a bit too far since the 131 incident, trying to make sure nothing is OP.  At the first hint that something might be, rather than balance it, they break out the nerf bat and simply render it useless instead.  How many Nameless’ do you ever see?  The forum was awash in outrage over its OPness and WG flat crushed that thing into unplayability.  

 

But its ok because “they can buff it later”......  I imagine a few people are still waiting on that one.



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View Postrrmike, on 13 January 2018 - 03:59 PM, said:

 

Because everyone wasn’t freaking out over it.  WG has gone a bit too far since the 131 incident, trying to make sure nothing is OP.  At the first hint that something might be, rather than balance it, they break out the nerf bat and simply render it useless instead.  How many Nameless’ do you ever see?  The forum was awash in outrage over its OPness and WG flat crushed that thing into unplayability.  

 

But its ok because “they can buff it later”......  I imagine a few people are still waiting on that one.

exactly, all the whiners on here screaming NERF NERF NERF, and that's what happens ,I agree about nameless,nerfed but not the edelweiss, which I think is the better tank now.


 


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View PostPontiac Pat, on 13 January 2018 - 01:07 AM, said:

 

I agree 100%.  We asked for the 131 pen buff and they gave in to it, and now they feel locked in to not nerfing it.  This is a far better approach.  Bring it in with room to grow if it needs a boost later on.

 

They took the post-buff Tiger, which was already borderline too powerful, and cranked it up to 11 with PMM slapped on top of it.

 

It nearly takes the honor out of winning :(


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In any case, the Patriot is definitely the better purchase now imo.

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View Postleedozer, on 13 January 2018 - 04:17 PM, said:

View Postrrmike, on 13 January 2018 - 03:59 PM, said:

 

Because everyone wasn’t freaking out over it.  WG has gone a bit too far since the 131 incident, trying to make sure nothing is OP.  At the first hint that something might be, rather than balance it, they break out the nerf bat and simply render it useless instead.  How many Nameless’ do you ever see?  The forum was awash in outrage over its OPness and WG flat crushed that thing into unplayability.  

 

But its ok because “they can buff it later”......  I imagine a few people are still waiting on that one.

 

exactly, all the whiners on here screaming NERF NERF NERF, and that's what happens ,I agree about nameless,nerfed but not the edelweiss, which I think is the better tank now.

 

Sorry you all can't bully Tier 8 tanks as much now it has a weakspot, i will admit the gun handling didn't need a nerf, it is a Soviet Heavy after all but the Lower Beak needed a nerf and let's be honest 10 mm isn't exactly a significant nerf but welcomed.

 

230 pen for a 50-50 on the Lower Plate before the change and not many (other than TD's) has that penetration and that's for a close range pen, if it's at range, most of the pens mm on the enemy drops the further away a tank is (except HEAT). Once an IS-3 bounced a Standard AP from a Jageroo what i fired.

 

People who don't agree with the nerfs are probably the same people who would buy it to ruin Tier 8 Matchmaking.



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View PostAnonymousHobo69, on 13 January 2018 - 04:29 PM, said:

In any case, the Patriot is definitely the better purchase now imo.

 

I think Patriot was always the better choice but the nerfs on the Defender made it more so in all honesty and i don't expect a lot of sales on the Defender.

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I do think the VK 100.01 P should be nerfed next then makes Mauschen meaningful.

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View PostMASHMAN 90, on 13 January 2018 - 10:42 AM, said:

I do think the VK 100.01 P should be nerfed next then makes Mauschen meaningful.

I don't think the VK 100.01 P is all that OP. It can only perform on close-range/city maps, it has no flexibility whatsoever. Tanks like the Emil 1 and IS-3 are better IMO.


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View PostAnonymousHobo69, on 13 January 2018 - 04:45 PM, said:

I don't think the VK 100.01 P is all that OP. It can only perform on close-range/city maps, it has no flexibility whatsoever. Tanks like the Emil 1 and IS-3 are better IMO.

 

Agreed but Tier for Tier it's the Maus basically, poor speed, poor traverse, good armour, gun is okay but not the best (not tried top gun). I think sides are strong too :)

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View PostMASHMAN 90, on 13 January 2018 - 03:59 AM, said:

 

Agreed, Fatherland is 15,428 gold, Defender is 13,940 gold in Tankopedia and not sure now but Defender was stronger. All i see are people crying because their OP Tank got nerfed (I still believe only armour needed nerfing but any is welcome) and can't break the MM as much yet they moan about Blitzens, Churchill III, Pz B2 and more ruining lower tiers. They were probably planning to buy to bully Tier 8s.

 

this ones right you know! samething happened with the nameless i bought it because im a fan of the anime,but many people just wanted it because it was supposed to be op and then many crybabes started to yell shiet and wg nerfed it,not many people bought it and now i only face tier x with 0 depresion and i get constatly 1 shot by everyone

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i dont know how the defender can be nerfed in three areas i.e gun,armour and mobility and the patriot gets away scott free which is also considered op,im guessing all the players started months ago complaining about it,be intresting to see the players making the complaints how many actually buy it now they have what they want,very few im guessing.and if this is to help balance the game surely mm is the bigest problem.

 



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Once angled turret and bounced Jageroo in VK 100 on Siegfried line, i remember it well :)

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View Postgreenteam117, on 12 January 2018 - 10:48 PM, said:

 

well, you see... they are both tier 8 tanks. you usely do not compare a tier 8 to a tier 10, why dont we compare the M4A1 Rev to a Sherman m4 then?

We do/ almost as bad with big gun.



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View PostSgt slaughter78, on 13 January 2018 - 04:53 PM, said:

i dont know how the defender can be nerfed in three areas i.e gun,armour and mobility and the patriot gets away scott free which is also considered op,im guessing all the players started months ago complaining about it,be intresting to see the players making the complaints how many actually buy it now they have what they want,very few im guessing.and if this is to help balance the game surely mm is the bigest problem.

 

 

Agreed, Surprised Patriot didn't get nerfed too in all honesty but not many buying is great for the Matchmaker as i feared seeing nothing but Defenders and Patriots flooding Tier 8 lobbies. I can see a lot of Patriots but fewer Defenders now :)

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