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MASHMAN 90 #121 Posted 13 January 2018 - 05:00 PM

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View PostDenserFlyer173, on 13 January 2018 - 04:53 PM, said:

 

this ones right you know! samething happened with the nameless i bought it because im a fan of the anime,but many people just wanted it because it was supposed to be op and then many crybabes started to yell shiet and wg nerfed it,not many people bought it and now i only face tier x with 0 depresion and i get constatly 1 shot by everyone

 

Yeah Nameless does need a buff to it's depression, Only the 250 mm of armour needed nerfing on that too.

The tank i fear most is Chrystler K "but" i hope they only nerf the lower plate and cupola to give it a weakspot, Not as much nerfs as Nameless (depression), Defender (Gun Handling) and on PC Maucherbreaker (That has three weakspots and got nerfed too hard, only lower plate and cupola needed nerfing a touch) :)

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MASHMAN 90 #122 Posted 13 January 2018 - 05:02 PM

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Also surprised the M4 49 didn't get hit as well :)

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Sgt slaughter78 #123 Posted 13 January 2018 - 05:02 PM

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i am disappointed but thats just wot console in someways,but only time will tell if wg has done the right thing.

 



NewOhmen #124 Posted 13 January 2018 - 05:05 PM

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View Postverjochmann, on 12 January 2018 - 10:23 PM, said:

Das ist alles Kacke was dieser Penner hier sagt!!!

 

 

Schlimme ist das die entwickler hier rückmeldung von usern kriegen die nicht mal blau oder lila sind.. hier wird über ganz viel mist gefeiert.. Flaggen an Panzern und und.. sorry aber das ist Kindergarten! Leute die mit den Panzern mehr als 3 schüsse an den Mann bringen sollten hier nur Rückmeldung über die Panzer geben! Meine Meinung!!

 

Den wer nicht die Panzer richtig benutzt kann keine klare Rückmeldung geben!

Und da ist der Hund begraben die Entwickler können nichtmal den Controller richtig rum halten.. was erwarten wir also? Hier wird uns weiterhin etwas angeboten von dem die Entwickler keine Ahnung haben.. läuft!

 

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jkblackhawk #125 Posted 13 January 2018 - 05:15 PM

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View Postleova, on 13 January 2018 - 02:09 AM, said:

 

This

  it should never have been introduced as-is on PC so its good they're making changes to it on Console

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View Postrrmike, on 13 January 2018 - 09:59 AM, said:

 

Because everyone wasn’t freaking out over it.  WG has gone a bit too far since the 131 incident, trying to make sure nothing is OP.  At the first hint that something might be, rather than balance it, they break out the nerf bat and simply render it useless instead.  How many Nameless’ do you ever see?  The forum was awash in outrage over its OPness and WG flat crushed that thing into unplayability.  

 

But its ok because “they can buff it later”......  I imagine a few people are still waiting on that one.

 

The Nameless is unplayable? Are you retarded. All you got was an armor nerf and no 7 degrees gun depression over the sides, if you can't make the Nameless on console work you're just a terrible player. Even after the armor nerf it has the 5th highest win rate among all other tier 8 heavy tanks. It's cupola is a 50/50 shot for same tier opponents with 225 pen, and if you shift back and forth with your great agility it will be difficult to even hit the cupola dead on.

 

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View PostMASHMAN 90, on 13 January 2018 - 04:32 PM, said:

 

Sorry you all can't bully Tier 8 tanks as much now it has a weakspot, i will admit the gun handling didn't need a nerf, it is a Soviet Heavy after all but the Lower Beak needed a nerf and let's be honest 10 mm isn't exactly a significant nerf but welcomed.

 

230 pen for a 50-50 on the Lower Plate before the change and not many (other than TD's) has that penetration and that's for a close range pen, if it's at range, most of the pens mm on the enemy drops the further away a tank is (except HEAT). Once an IS-3 bounced a Standard AP from a Jageroo what i fired.

 

People who don't agree with the nerfs are probably the same people who would buy it to ruin Tier 8 Matchmaking.

Hello tier 8 Sees 10 So MM?



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View Postjkblackhawk, on 13 January 2018 - 11:28 AM, said:

Hello tier 8 Sees 10 So MM?

 

Hello tier 8 Sees 6 So MM?

The problem is -2/+2 MM 


 

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I for one am tired of the exceedingly better and more OP premium tank escalation.  I welcome introducing balanced tanks into the game and not making it pay to win.  BTW, Wargaming has always had high prices for their products, you should know this by now.

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View Postjkblackhawk, on 13 January 2018 - 05:28 PM, said:

Hello tier 8 Sees 10 So MM?

 

If it's top tier i mean, sure it would be terrible in a Tier X, was a little annoyed earlier but i still believe people would buy it because it was op and god like in a Top Tier matchup.

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View PostVerJager, on 13 January 2018 - 05:46 PM, said:

I for one am tired of the exceedingly better and more OP premium tank escalation.  I welcome introducing balanced tanks into the game and not making it pay to win.  BTW, Wargaming has always had high prices for their products, you should know this by now.

 

Yes we should be encouraging less OP Tanks, M4 49, Patriot, Defender and Chrystler are the four most OP Tanks at Tier 8 and ones i was worried about. Defender is balanced now (but feel gun nerfs are a bit much), Patriot and M4 49 as it stands is still OP.

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Somewhere, including myself, VK 100.01P players are looking at one less formidable competitor. It is just strange to me a tank like the Tiger 131 can get added to the game OP as heck, yet the fear of a potential OP tank, like the 252U, can get the Nerf stick rattling to the point of over nerfing.

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View PostKaiserVonKrieg, on 12 January 2018 - 08:13 PM, said:

Nerfs are were needed, just wondering the logic behind making terrible shot dispersion worse.

 

So it went from having better dispersion than the IS-6 to almost the same dispersion.  It's still got massively better armor than the IS-6 and the gun hits harder.  Why is everybody whining about these changes.  You're essentially getting a IS-6 with 40% better armor, and losing a couple of rounds a minute as trade off.  I just don't get it.

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View PostCannon x Fodder, on 14 January 2018 - 02:23 AM, said:

 

So it went from having better dispersion than the IS-6 to almost the same dispersion.  It's still got massively better armor than the IS-6 and the gun hits harder.  Why is everybody whining about these changes.  You're essentially getting a IS-6 with 40% better armor, and losing a couple of rounds a minute as trade off.  I just don't get it.

 

You are comparing apples and oranges. 

 

IS-6 has PMM.

 



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Paying more for a lesser version of what pc has isn't right. Object 252u implemented in this form should be cheaper.

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View PostRarefication, on 13 January 2018 - 11:54 PM, said:

Somewhere, including myself, VK 100.01P players are looking at one less formidable competitor. It is just strange to me a tank like the Tiger 131 can get added to the game OP as heck, yet the fear of a potential OP tank, like the 252U, can get the Nerf stick rattling to the point of over nerfing.

 

The 131 took me by surprise and one of it's kind, and should be nerfed as well, i agree the 252 U was overnerfed (Gun Handling) but PC Gun Handling and our armour would be fine.

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WG NA do not know what they are doing.. we nerv the defender but the Patriot still come 1 to 1 from the PC ^^  so the balance will be more and more destroy.. IF WG NA knew what they were doing they would match all the OP tanks!!!

 

So WG NA destroy more and more the Game and the Balance!!

 

And it is Brainless from WG..  Who will now buy a tank that is inaccurate and still has a long AIM time??

Does anyone still think about WG? Why come 2 OP Tank from the PC and only 1 get a nerv?? ^^ this is joke right!?

 

 


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Bad idea to nerf defender’s lower plate, that thing is huge.

Bottom line is vote with your wallet. It will send much better message to WG than posting here.

I’ll not be buying this bastardized Defender so it’s money saved but I’ll get t-54 and e50 ready to hunt down any Defenders on Monday.

I might buy base Patriot when it comes out later, much better deal.

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i agree should have nerfed both but more people complained about defender so it seems it got the nerf for both lol

 



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still a legalized sealclubbing tank

 

welcome to the new pay2win era of WOT :P


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