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[Sgt slaughter78]

u might be right just got a feeling the patriot will be a far better clubber.

 

[II NO x VICE II]

greenteam117, on 12 January 2018 - 06:27 PM, said:

 

you say compare it to a is-7, well lets see            wile over here we will do the IS-5 and T-10

                      Object252U/IS-7                                                                          IS-5/T-10/Stock T-10

Turret Armor:          250/240                                                       Turret Armor:  201/250/201

Hull Armor:             130/150                                                         Hull Armor:  120/120/120

Damage:                 440/490                                                          Damage:   390/440/390

Pen:                        225/250                                                             Pen:      221/258/175

 

so IS-7 has:                                                                           IS-5 has(Vs fully upgraded T-10):                       IS-5 has (Vs Stock T-10):

10 less turret armor                                                               49 less turret armor                                             same turret armor

20  more hull armor                                                               same hull armor                                                  same hull armor

50 more damage                                                                   50 less damage                                                   same damage

25 more pen                                                                          37 less pen                                                          46 more pen

 

IS-7 beats the Object252U in 3 stats on paper                    T-10 (TIER 9)  beats IS-5 in 3 stats and ties on            IS-5 Beats a stock T-10 in pen but is on par

but if you want to compare them soo badly                         the 4th on paper.                                            with everything else, so by your logic

why dont you get the Object 252U                                                                                                             the IS-5 is on par with a tier 9 tank and there for

and go 1vs1 with a IS-7 and tell me who wins                                                                                           should not be compared with tier 8s

 

 

for fun lets do a M4A1 Rev VS M4 Sherman!

                        M4A1 Rev/M4 sherman

Turret Armor:              64/64

  Hull Armor:              51/51

   Damage:             390/410

      Pen:                200/53

 

M4A1 Rev and M4 Sherman tie in stats, which by your logic means you should not compare the M4A1 Rev to a tier 8 since it has the stats of a Tier 5. 

 

This ^^^ You are only confirming my original assessment - the Defender is a nerfed IS7. Your own comparison shows a TIER X that is barely ahead of a TIER VIII. Also notice you have not included any mobility stats that fundamentally the more important in 1v1 engagements.

 

Time to eat your own words ... carefully now

 

And where are the stats on the other Tech Tree Tier 8s??? Where is the IS-3 and IS3A in all this? Or you only cherry pick stats that suit your argument eh?

[II NO x VICE II]

vampyrii, on 13 January 2018 - 09:58 AM, said:

I am amazed no one said so far, that the VK100.01 P is so much better than this nerfed to death version of the Defender.  Same alpha damage but faster reload, better gun handling, some might say even superior armor. And you don't need real money to get one.

 

Have any comments on the Turret traverse, track traverse and mobility between the two?

[II NO x VICE II]

Snorelacks, on 13 January 2018 - 10:25 AM, said:

 

I think I saw it mentioned somewhere though. That cupola on the VK100 is not a "weak point" that I've been able to consistently exploit in any of my T6 or T7 tanks.

 

I have wrecked VK by firing on it cupola and getting multiple hits. Need 200+ pen tho.

 

EDIT: The issue with the VK is that it cannot get out of trouble fast enough. It cannot even turn its turret fast enough to throw off shots. Very easy to aim and reliable pen up there as long as your base pen is high enough.

Edited by II NO x VICE II, 14 January 2018 - 02:59 PM.

[WY Silver Wolf]

I'll sum it all up for many of us in one gif 

 

 

[Zxyphos]

MASHMAN 90, on 14 January 2018 - 06:41 AM, said:

 

The 131 took me by surprise and one of it's kind, and should be nerfed as well, i agree the 252 U was overnerfed (Gun Handling) but PC Gun Handling and our armour would be fine.

 

I look forward to the reviews of the 252u come Monday.

 

[MASHMAN 90]

Rarefication, on 14 January 2018 - 08:39 PM, said:

 

I look forward to the reviews of the 252u come Monday.

 

 

lol me too, Patriot i expect to be an OP Review but Defender i don't think CC's will be too happy.

[KilledByPing]

Metalrodent, on 12 January 2018 - 10:36 PM, said:

Quite whether it needed the full monty on gun nerfs I couldn't say, but the low plate nerf is very welcome - it needs to be somewhat beatable by lower tiers, and is nigh on invincible when hull down.

 

Rly ? It lower plater are so huge compared to other IS version it literaly impossible to miss.

Also, lower plate are so high, that your autoaim will send your shells into it.

[DeviL-Warrior-Q8]

KilledByPing, on 15 January 2018 - 08:21 AM, said:

 

Rly ? It lower plater are so huge compared to other IS version it literaly impossible to miss.

Also, lower plate are so high, that your autoaim will send your shells into it.

I agree with u the tank now have terrible lower plate 

[KingJason98]

USSR will still slaughter US in the Tank Bowl

[LucidTie]

In my opinion, tank is overnerfed. I mean, it’s not struggling in pubs, it’s armor is reliable, well except LFP, it’s gun is OK but could be better. Everything seems alright, even nerfed DPM and aiming time.. but really, return LFP to its original state as well as 0.44 accuracy and tank will be perfect.

[DeviL-Warrior-Q8]

Return the aim time 3.4 is bad they must buff the 252u and is3 a aim time 

[Chimonakimi]

LucidTie, on 16 January 2018 - 05:16 AM, said:

In my opinion, tank is overnerfed. I mean, it’s not struggling in pubs, it’s armor is reliable, well except LFP, it’s gun is OK but could be better. Everything seems alright, even nerfed DPM and aiming time.. but really, return LFP to its original state as well as 0.44 accuracy and tank will be perfect.

 

Lemme walk you through it, pick up your controller, I know this is unusual and I know the urge to throw the controller as usual is strong, but stick with me. Now look at the left stick, this moves the tank, using this you can maneuver the tank into positions where you are hiding the LFP, you're welcome

[LucidTie]

Chimonakimi, on 16 January 2018 - 11:16 AM, said:

 

Lemme walk you through it, pick up your controller, I know this is unusual and I know the urge to throw the controller as usual is strong, but stick with me. Now look at the left stick, this moves the tank, using this you can maneuver the tank into positions where you are hiding the LFP, you're welcome

Nice guide, you should make YouTube videos or something.

[Chimonakimi]

LucidTie, on 16 January 2018 - 12:58 PM, said:

Nice guide, you should make YouTube videos or something.

 

I do but they're absolute garbage and I may or may not name and shame a lot :<

[IAmJonReaper]

Chimonakimi, on 16 January 2018 - 03:16 AM, said:

 

Lemme walk you through it, pick up your controller, I know this is unusual and I know the urge to throw the controller as usual is strong, but stick with me. Now look at the left stick, this moves the tank, using this you can maneuver the tank into positions where you are hiding the LFP, you're welcome

 

Hey man some of use driver controls so your guide is invalid. 

 

Also the Defender performs just fine as is even with the nerfs its a really good tank. 

[Chimonakimi]

IAmJonReaper, on 16 January 2018 - 03:01 PM, said:

 

Hey man some of use driver controls so your guide is invalid. 

 

Also the Defender performs just fine as is even with the nerfs its a really good tank. 

 

I use driver too, find it wayyyy easier. In that case, here's how it works:

Pick up the controller, make a screeching noise and press B / Circle while crying over the lack of seal clubbing abilities 

[mcShaw]

Not saying much about the tank being nerfed in general, know very well that it's considered OP on PC.

But really, a gun that makes your gameplay become:

wait 15 sec for reload

spend last 3.4 seconds of that reload eating shots from your target(s)

miss hit the ground

wait again 15 sec

eat shots

hit some innocent bird that happened to fly by

wait 15 sec

eat shots

hit the most armored spot on the enemy tank (that was like 5 yards from where you aimed)

wait 15 sec

eat shots

hit the ground again 

and just keep repeating like this until your dead seems like a very boring and frustrating tank to play. Why on earth would anyone want to play that and much less pay to play that?

 

[IAmJonReaper]

Chimonakimi, on 16 January 2018 - 07:12 AM, said:

 

I use driver too, find it wayyyy easier. In that case, here's how it works:

Pick up the controller, make a screeching noise and press B / Circle while crying over the lack of seal clubbing abilities 

 

LOL ^^^^

[JOY AHIR]

LucidTie, on 16 January 2018 - 12:58 PM, said:

Nice guide, you should make YouTube videos or something.

Lol