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Ralphs Dad #21 Posted 12 January 2018 - 08:29 PM

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 12 January 2018 - 08:18 PM, said:

Believe the idea is that it should be a front line brawler so the accuracy changes mainly affect those trying to snipe with it. 

 

Great idea however we will see them on El Haluf in their natural habitation with IS6's and IS3's, trading shots at 450m+.

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Damn. Everyone wanted to get 252U due to his excellent stats as they are on PC, but now we are getting something that is yet worse, but even more expensive. That’s a bad move WG, that is a very bad move.
Thanks for failing expectations of some of us.

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 12 January 2018 - 01:18 PM, said:

Believe the idea is that it should be a front line brawler so the accuracy changes mainly affect those trying to snipe with it. 

 

​then you need to buff armor of the forgotten heavies and nerf the accuracy at the same time. all heavies should be frontline warriors. nerf the laser accurate german heavies and give them armor, buff the lower plate of Merican heavies and nerf accuracy or tier 7 and up. just my 1 cent:B



KaiserVonKrieg #24 Posted 12 January 2018 - 08:31 PM

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 12 January 2018 - 03:18 PM, said:

Believe the idea is that it should be a front line brawler so the accuracy changes mainly affect those trying to snipe with it. 

 

I just thought a terrible .44 was enough.

.44 with the rof nerf, after shot dispersion, traverse nerf, and lfp nerf would've been fair imo.

Will everything that is suppose to be a front line brawler be getting a nerf to .47 accuracy now? 



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View PostTankMuseum2, on 12 January 2018 - 03:29 PM, said:

 

Great idea however we will see them on El Haluf in their natural habitation with IS6's and IS3's, trading shots at 450m+.

 

Lol .. you cannot fix stupid. Some will be found utilizing their superior armor for protectin' Arty ... :trollface:

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View PostKaiserVonKrieg, on 12 January 2018 - 03:31 PM, said:

 

I just thought a terrible .44 was enough.

.44 with the rof nerf, after shot dispersion, traverse nerf, and lfp nerf would've been fair imo.

Will everything that is suppose to be a front line brawler be getting a nerf to .47 accuracy now? IS3?

 

With the standard +/- 25% damage roll, it is likely to get close to 500 damage shots, especially on thinner armored tanks. With that much alpha, it is also more likely to blow up ammo racks or set fire or damage the health of components and crew with more regularity.

 

Not sure if your IS3 is capable of getting all that regularly. The IS3 armor profile seems different as well.

 

The comparison to IS-3 is a fake one, misleading at best. The better comparison is to say that this is an IS-7 at Tier 8.

 

As others have said, it remains to be seen how it will perform.



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I may have been able to swallow this pill, but after reading your reasoning for prices being higher for premium tanks, I find myself choking  on it hard after reading these stat changes.

 

Yeah, I'll pay more for an inferior product LOL.



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View PostMaxChaos24, on 12 January 2018 - 08:18 PM, said:

Believe the idea is that it should be a front line brawler so the accuracy changes mainly affect those trying to snipe with it. 

 

With 0.47 accuracy, 3.4s aim time and mediocre penetration - it cannot be front bowler. Even on the close range - you have to stay under fire for 3 second to aim and in the end, thanks to poor accuracy,  your shot might go to upper front hull plate, not lower.

 



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View PostKarmic, on 12 January 2018 - 03:43 PM, said:

I may have been able to swallow this pill, but after reading your reasoning for prices being higher for premium tanks, I find myself choking  on it hard after reading these stat changes.

 

Yeah, I'll pay more for an inferior product LOL.

 

Inferior according to PC? Or inferior according to console? Not sure what you are smoking, but it must be something good. :trollface:

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Prem tanks should be weaker than tech tree tanks anyway. Here’s to hoping that the accuracy nerf causes people to use the tank appropriately but you know there will still be plebs that try to use it as a sniper. I’m glad to see the nerfs. OP prems should not exist.

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View PostII NO x VICE II, on 12 January 2018 - 03:40 PM, said:

 

With the standard +/- 25% damage roll, it is likely to get close to 500 damage shots, especially on thinner armored tanks. With that much alpha, it is also more likely to blow up ammo racks or set fire or damage the health of components and crew with more regularity.

 

Not sure if your IS3 is capable of getting all that regularly. The IS3 armor profile seems different as well.

 

The comparison to IS-3 is a fake one, misleading at best. The better comparison is to say that this is an IS-7 at Tier 8.

 

As others have said, it remains to be seen how it will perform.

 

 

 

When did I say anything about the IS3? :trollface:

I'm just kidding, can you make any other argument for the points I suggested other than respond to "IS3?"



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View Postssusechka, on 12 January 2018 - 02:46 PM, said:

 

With 0.47 accuracy, 3.4s aim time and mediocre penetration - it cannot be front bowler. Even on the close range - you have to stay under fire for 3 second to aim and in the end, thanks to poor accuracy,  your shot might go to upper front hull plate, not lower.

 

It’s armor will allow you to do that no problem so it won’t have any issues being a front line brawler. :great:



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View PostTheShafft, on 12 January 2018 - 03:49 PM, said:

Prem tanks should be weaker than tech tree tanks anyway. Here’s to hoping that the accuracy nerf causes people to use the tank appropriately but you know there will still be plebs that try to use it as a sniper. I’m glad to see the nerfs. OP prems should not exist.

 

+1 ^^^ One of the more sensible responses.

 

 



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View PostMaxChaos24, on 13 January 2018 - 05:52 AM, said:

It’s armor will allow you to do that no problem so it won’t have any issues being a front line brawler. :great:

 

this tank seems like a IS-5 that got a bigger gun, 10 mm more armor, a better turret, then decided to dent the gun to make sure it has to go in close range in order to hit anything

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 12 January 2018 - 08:52 PM, said:

It’s armor will allow you to do that no problem so it won’t have any issues being a front line brawler. :great:

 

Only if you have a chance to hide your lower plate, otherwise even t8 with gold ammo will have no problems to deal the damage.

And remember, this is prem tank. Its purpose is to farm silver. You get silver for damage you deal, not damage you bounce.  



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i do not know what you guys think, but a tank with a  15 second reload and .47 accuracy, does not sound fun to play XD

Especially if it is like 14k gold for the tank


Edited by greenteam117, 12 January 2018 - 09:03 PM.

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View PostKaiserVonKrieg, on 12 January 2018 - 03:52 PM, said:

When did I say anything about the IS3? :trollface:

I'm just kidding, can you make any other argument for the points I suggested other than respond to "IS3?"

 

What do you think of the Alpha of this tank. I have posted that view point already. The shot dispersion is a myth that players lap up - I cannot remember the number times I have been penned by extremely "dispersey" tank guns while moving at full speed. There is already RnG at work that will deny some of my most accurate gun, the tortoise and centurion something as simple as repeat tracking shots. To me it seems like you are taking one aspect that is not even significant on its own enough, and trashing the entire package.

 

The ROF, pen, alpha of the standard round (not the accuracy) and overall armor (not the profile, but numeric values) are comparable to one of the best Tier 9 heavy: E-75 top package. Do you think the E-75 is a weak tank ? For sake of simplicity, I will not even go into mobility.

 

(And remember, this is a Tier 8 not a 9, and it also is a premium that should be weaker than Tier 8s, not stronger than all of them).

 

 



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so you over nerfed it, AND are charging 3k more gold for it? what a blatant money grab

 

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View Postgreenteam117, on 12 January 2018 - 04:02 PM, said:

i do not know what you guys think, but a tank with a  15 second reload and .47 accuracy, does not sound fun to play XD

Especially if it is like 14k gold for the tank

 

Incorrect ... E75 top package has similar ROF and with perks and equipment (before factoring in consumables) it is shade under 13 seconds and pretty darn effective too, at least the good ones that I come across. Part of your statement is misleading.

 

Edit: add consumable to the mix and this is a big huge fiery gun for its tier.


Edited by II NO x VICE II, 12 January 2018 - 09:10 PM.


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View PostCruiser Abukuma, on 12 January 2018 - 04:06 PM, said:

so you over nerfed it, AND are charging 3k more gold for it? what a blatant money grab

 

If you are referring to me, I did not do anything ... :teethhappy:




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