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greenteam117 #61 Posted 12 January 2018 - 10:48 PM

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View PostII NO x VICE II, on 13 January 2018 - 07:40 AM, said:

 

Made some suggested fixes to your post.

 

Your comparison with an IS-3A is illogical and has absolutely no in game dynamics' basis. For that matter, I would rather compare it as a nerfed IS-7 - approach the comparison from the other side. The IS3A is actually more expensive and a far worse tank, on paper at least, than the defender.

 

I will not be buying it, but if I had money to spare, I would buy both the tanks.

 

well, you see... they are both tier 8 tanks. you usely do not compare a tier 8 to a tier 10, why dont we compare the M4A1 Rev to a Sherman m4 then?

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 12 January 2018 - 04:48 PM, said:

 

No changes were made for that tank. 

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the lower front plate is absolutely huge . . . . . 

 

sending it out nerfed allows for a buff in the future if its performing badly.

 

but with a reload that long, why give it a bad gun to use along with a non-OP lower front plate ?



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View Postgreenteam117, on 12 January 2018 - 05:48 PM, said:

 

well, you see... they are both tier 8 tanks. you usely do not compare a tier 8 to a tier 10, why dont we compare the M4A1 Rev to a Sherman m4 then?

 

There is no Tier 8 that you can compare to the Defender. You have to go up a tier to find something similar in terms of Alpha, ROF and armor stats. The E75 comes to mind. Not sure what you are on about here.

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View PostWroclaw, on 13 January 2018 - 07:56 AM, said:

the lower front plate is absolutely huge . . . . . 

 

sending it out nerfed allows for a buff in the future if its performing badly.

 

but with a reload that long, why give it a bad gun to use along with a non-OP lower front plate ?

 

well people say the alpha and pen make up for the bad gun stats :trollface: 

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View Postgreenteam117, on 12 January 2018 - 05:58 PM, said:

 

well people say the alpha and pen make up for the bad gun stats :trollface: 

 

Yes, people with shattered wet dreams of an OP PC tank are also apt to also say a lot of things ... :trollface:

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View Postcowboybebop7DR, on 12 January 2018 - 10:02 PM, said:

Wow WG you screwed the Pooch this time, not only did you NERF a tank people have been waiting for since it was a announced on pc, but your charging nearly 4k extra gold to loyal players for said nerfed tank and making them thank you for it. Lol good grief 

 

So much this. We (those who WAS going to get it) was expecting that tank to appear the same as it is on PC. We have so many OP things in game already, and everyone is happy about it (183 HESH pen, arty (I love arty), and so on)) so why to nerf something that people has been waiting for SO long? I see a clue, of course, but damn, that is just a rip off for customers base.

 

i really hope WG would change it’s stats to original, and then, I believe, everyone would appreciate that move. All those, whose expectations will be satisfied.



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View PostII NO x VICE II, on 12 January 2018 - 03:58 PM, said:

 

There is no Tier 8 that you can compare to the Defender. You have to go up a tier to find something similar in terms of Alpha, ROF and armor stats. The E75 comes to mind. Not sure what you are on about here.

 

​someone has not played the VK100 yet. 


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View PostII NO x VICE II, on 13 January 2018 - 07:58 AM, said:

 

There is no Tier 8 that you can compare to the Defender. You have to go up a tier to find something similar in terms of Alpha, ROF and armor stats. The E75 comes to mind. Not sure what you are on about here.

 

you say compare it to a is-7, well lets see            wile over here we will do the IS-5 and T-10

                      Object252U/IS-7                                                                          IS-5/T-10/Stock T-10

Turret Armor:          250/240                                                       Turret Armor:  201/250/201

Hull Armor:             130/150                                                         Hull Armor:  120/120/120

Damage:                 440/490                                                          Damage:   390/440/390

Pen:                        225/250                                                             Pen:      221/258/175

 

so IS-7 has:                                                                           IS-5 has(Vs fully upgraded T-10):                       IS-5 has (Vs Stock T-10):

10 less turret armor                                                               49 less turret armor                                             same turret armor

20  more hull armor                                                               same hull armor                                                  same hull armor

50 more damage                                                                   50 less damage                                                   same damage

25 more pen                                                                          37 less pen                                                          46 more pen

 

IS-7 beats the Object252U in 3 stats on paper                    T-10 beats IS-5 in 3 stats and ties on            IS-5 Beats a stock T-10 in pen but is on par

but if you want to compare them soo badly                         the 4th on paper.                                            with everything else, so by your logic

why dont you get the Object 252U                                                                                                             the IS-5 is on par with a tier 9 tank and there for

and go 1vs1 with a IS-7 and tell me who wins                                                                                           should not be compared with tier 8s

 

 

for fun lets do a M4A1 Rev VS M4 Sherman!

                        M4A1 Rev/M4 sherman

Turret Armor:              64/64

  Hull Armor:              51/51

   Damage:             390/410

      Pen:                200/53

 

M4A1 Rev and M4 Sherman tie in stats, which by your logic means you should not compare the M4A1 Rev to a tier 8 since it has the stats of a Tier 5. :trollface:


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View PostArKenemyxX, on 13 January 2018 - 08:26 AM, said:

 

​someone has not played the VK100 yet. 

 

i can not wait for a a premium Version :trollface:

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Sure! I will show Ob.252U gameplay on my channel under the PRESS ACCOUNT at the release day. I want to buy this tank, but I will not, before I try it for free first.
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View PostMaxChaos24, on 12 January 2018 - 05:48 PM, said:

 

No changes were made for that tank. 

 

 

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View PostSgt Becket FEAR, on 12 January 2018 - 04:14 PM, said:

You know what?

 

I am happy that it was nerfed. Premium tanks should be about training and silver...not puppy stomping.

 

Tanks like Tiger 131 should have never been a thing.

 

Bravo WG! Keep those nerfed Premiums coming :great:

 

Tho true, this is the effect of a double edged sword WGCB has to deal with when they wanted to make a quick buck. They strayed from those parameters by introducing some of the latest tanks, so now a good portion of the player base sees that if a tank isn't op, then its garbage.

 

Pricing on the other hand, that's a whole nother topic.

 

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View PostMeltheacin, on 13 January 2018 - 08:52 AM, said:

 

Tho true, this is the effect of a double edged sword WGCB has to deal with when they wanted to make a quick buck. They strayed from those parameters by introducing some of the latest tanks, so now a good portion of the player base sees that if a tank isn't op, then its garbage.

 

Pricing on the other hand, that's a whole nother topic.

 

Disclaimer: Yes, I do own a fair amount of rather op tanks. However, I decide my purchases based on looks and price, stats are just a side view. I've passed on the opportunity to buy some OP tanks and yet bought crappy tanks purely based on the same reason, their looks.

 

i think the Lowe is a perfectly balanced heavy, they should be alot like the lowe, powerful but having a giant weakspot(s)

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View PostNikitozz13, on 12 January 2018 - 05:35 PM, said:

Sure! I will show Ob.252U gameplay on my channel under the PRESS ACCOUNT at the release day. I want to buy this tank, but I will not, before I try it for free first.
Guys if you are interested, you're welcome:

https://www.youtube....YRPEsvUrxw506OQ

 

haha its going hard to me to understand vodka but im going to suscribe on your channel anyway 

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 12 January 2018 - 03:18 PM, said:

Believe the idea is that it should be a front line brawler so the accuracy changes mainly affect those trying to snipe with it. 

This is true but why the crap aimtime? You could have made it 2.0 second aimtime and .55 accuracy, and it would have worked better. KV2 still derps into the ground at point blank, i see this tank doing alot of the same with that [edited]aim time.



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any word on the non skinned defender and patriot? just curious


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View PostTheShafft, on 12 January 2018 - 09:49 PM, said:

Prem tanks should be weaker than tech tree tanks anyway. Here’s to hoping that the accuracy nerf causes people to use the tank appropriately but you know there will still be plebs that try to use it as a sniper. I’m glad to see the nerfs. OP prems should not exist.

 

I agree, but dont jack up the prices after you nerfed it. Than again...princing has been fubar in this game for almost 2,5 years. Unfortuanly thats the new Wargaming standard these days.

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Ok, but why this crap gun handling ?

 

I mean the pc's lower plates is op, now is ok. But the gun. Why ?

 

And we talk about the price ? (the most important thing)


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View PostMaxChaos24, on 12 January 2018 - 11:48 PM, said:

 

No changes were made for that tank. 

 

So an overall nerf to the Defender and no change to the Patriot.

So... let's slap an extra 3k gold on each and call it a day...

 

Sorry but wow, I would say that is a new low... but yeah can't get much lower it seems.

 

I like this game but you guys are killing it faster and faster with these stupid decisions.

 

P.s. I don't play WoT PC so I don't know if the defender needed a nerf, from what people have said it probably does but the fact remains.

We get a nerfed tank AND get charged 25% (I think) MORE for it?

Wut?


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