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greenteam117 #81 Posted 13 January 2018 - 01:41 AM

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View Postlethalkillerdan, on 13 January 2018 - 10:36 AM, said:

 

So an overall nerf to the Defender and no change to the Patriot.

So... let's slap an extra 3k gold on each and call it a day...

 

Sorry but wow, I would say that is a new low... but yeah can't get much lower it seems.

 

I like this game but you guys are killing it faster and faster with these stupid decisions.

 

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Was gonna jump on the chance to own a 252U on Console but with those nerfs? N.a.. the armour and mobility I understand but forcing the gun to be even more atrocious? Not worth it. I'll just get the Patriot on its own.

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View PostDwarfOnDrugs, on 12 January 2018 - 02:53 PM, said:

Hats off for giving it a nerf.

 

This

  it should never have been introduced as-is on PC so its good they're making changes to it on Console



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View PostGrowlmonDrgnbutt, on 12 January 2018 - 08:14 PM, said:

Whoever the hell is in the industry of balancing video games needs to learn that you nerf ONE thing, not EVERYTHING.  Slight tweaks, not massive nukes.  The DPM nerf was acceptable but disappointing by itself.  Adding on a rotation nerf, LFP nerf, dispersion, after shot dispersion nerf, and aim time nerf is UNBELIEVABLY too much.

 

All you had to do was keep everything the same as the PC version except the LFP and you'd have a balanced tank.  I can't say I'm too angry though, this will just make it easier to club the seals that buy this thinking it's a god tank.

 

The only good thing is that now we know we dont need that tank so i am greatfull i dont have to use more gold to get one more nrefred tank.

 

The nerfing of tanks is redicoulus and it is even more stupid to do so before it is released.

 

So far i will say that the testing and supertests currentley just showed the incompetence by either the test schedules or the WG not listen to them because most tanks is just turds and the same sheits over and over again there is a reason for players not getting more tanks then they have .it calls balance and that is just a word that has nothing to do with the tank it is the way we play them and it has nothing to do with balancing because that is a goal that is never going to happen.

 

 



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View PostMaxChaos24, on 12 January 2018 - 07:27 PM, said:

We understand that a lot of players have been using PC sources and videos to judge the upcoming tank, Object 252U Defender. We want you to know that the version that exist on PC is not the same version that is coming to Console. Based on Internal and Supertest balance testing, the following is a list of differences between the PC version and the Console version of this tank. We hope this clears up the speculation and look forward to your feedback once the tank goes Live!

 

These changes still preserve the tanks near impenetrable upper hull armor making it an excellent front line tank to get up close and personal with the enemy to deliver its 440 damage payload. 

 

Console specific changes:

  • Lower front hull armor: 140mm -> 130mm
  • RoF: 4.0 -> 3.87
  • Chassis rotation: 30 -> 28
  • Shot dispersion: 0.44 -> 0.47
  • After shot dispersion: 3 -> 4
  • Aim time: 3.2 -> 3.4

 

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  • Matchmaking: Plays up to Tier 10
  • 50% Silver Bonus Earn
  • 10% XP Bonus
  • Hit Points: 1500
  • Engine Power: 700 hp
  • Power/Weight Ratio: 13.59 hp/ton
  • Speed Limit: 35 km/h
  • Hull Traverse Speed: 28 deg/sec
  • Hull Armor: 130/100/90
  • Turret Armor: 250/150/100
  • Turret Traverse Speed: 24 deg/sec
  • Penetration: 225/265/68
  • Damage: 440/440/530
  • Aim Time: 3.4 sec
  • Accuracy: 0.47
  • Gun Caliber: 122 mm
  • Rate of Fire: 3.87 rounds/min
  • Max Ammo Capacity: 30 rounds
  • View Range: 350 m
  • Signal Range: 730 m

 

why is the price high  then pc?

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if u guys don‘t want us to snipe with heavys then maybe remove some of those bad giant maps and give us some of the good old small maps back ...

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View Postloco272829, on 13 January 2018 - 06:51 AM, said:

 

why is the price high  then pc?

Because wg make shity tank! That’s why 



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i guess the wz 111 5a is going to bring us some new nerfs if they going to release it next month cause some pc player were talking about it is op aswell ...

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I was waiting for Object 252U for a long time. Actually this tank was number one in my wish list. Now I'm watching at its stats and my only question  - why they turned this nice vehicle in just a garbage? Accuracy 0.47 followed by aim time of 3.4 sec means that the tank will be totally unplayable at long and medium distances. To be honest with such stats it will be exteremly difficult to hit enemies even at short distances.

 

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View PostSgt Becket FEAR, on 12 January 2018 - 02:14 PM, said:

You know what?

 

I am happy that it was nerfed. Premium tanks should be about training and silver...not puppy stomping.

 

Tanks like Tiger 131 should have never been a thing.

 

Bravo WG! Keep those nerfed Premiums coming :great:

 

I agree 100%.  We asked for the 131 pen buff and they gave in to it, and now they feel locked in to not nerfing it.  This is a far better approach.  Bring it in with room to grow if it needs a boost later on.

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wg should change name of that tank from defender to sucker

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all russian tanks suck

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GG war gaming on nerfing from the PC. This is the more conservative and right decision. It’s much easier to just buff it down the line if need be if it underperforms.

There is always an element of mass hysteria or overreaction when something like this happens to something that was guaranteed to seal club

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View Postgreenteam117, on 12 January 2018 - 09:02 PM, said:

i do not know what you guys think, but a tank with a  15 second reload and .47 accuracy, does not sound fun to play XD

Especially if it is like 14k gold for the tank

 

it's not bad tbh, Fatherland is dearer and before nerfs, it was weaker than Defender.

 

Also don't forget Lowe is 2-3k gold cheaper and that's been in the game forever, not a huge price difference.



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View PostSentience, on 12 January 2018 - 10:36 PM, said:

Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.

 

If it’s balanced, some will complain it’s yet another generic mediocre tank, with no incentive to buy.

 

If it overpowered, some people will complain it’s yet another pay to win tank, that creates power creep against tech tree and older premiums.

 

Let’s give it a week before busting out the pitchforks.

 

Agreed, Fatherland is 15,428 gold, Defender is 13,940 gold in Tankopedia and not sure now but Defender was stronger. All i see are people crying because their OP Tank got nerfed (I still believe only armour needed nerfing but any is welcome) and can't break the MM as much yet they moan about Blitzens, Churchill III, Pz B2 and more ruining lower tiers. They were probably planning to buy to bully Tier 8s.



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View Postcowboybebop7DR, on 12 January 2018 - 10:02 PM, said:

Wow WG you screwed the Pooch this time, not only did you NERF a tank people have been waiting for since it was a announced on pc, but your charging nearly 4k extra gold to loyal players for said nerfed tank and making them thank you for it. Lol good grief 

 

So much this. We (those who WAS going to get it) was expecting that tank to appear the same as it is on PC. We have so many OP things in game already, and everyone is happy about it (183 HESH pen, arty (I love arty), and so on)) so why to nerf something that people has been waiting for SO long? I see a clue, of course, but damn, that is just a rip off for customers base.

 

i really hope WG would change it’s stats to original, and then, I believe, everyone would appreciate that move. All those, whose expectations will be satisfied.

 

Nope, it only needed an armour nerf that's all. Gun was already bad enough and didn't need a nerf but look at it this way.

 

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View PostMASHMAN 90, on 13 January 2018 - 06:53 PM, said:

 

it's not bad tbh, Fatherland is dearer and before nerfs, it was weaker than Defender.

 

Also don't forget Lowe is 2-3k gold cheaper and that's been in the game forever, not a huge price difference.

 

but with the Fatherland, you could of earned it, wile this tank you can not.

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View Postgreenteam117, on 13 January 2018 - 12:43 PM, said:

 

but with the Fatherland, you could of earned it, wile this tank you can not.

 

True but many did not earn it because of RNG based Op, i got lucky and earned one but need to buy mine back and try and learn Soviet Heavies playstyle but you have to understand that people are moaning about the price but Fatherland is dearer for those who didn't earn it and if you buy the bundle which many would it's 21,500 or if you halve it it's just less than 11,000 for one which cuts the 3k original price of 14,000. If you just want one, it's a bit pricey but the Lowe has always been 12,000 (Now looking at Tankopedia it now says 12,500) while i've been playing and the stats wasn't buffed until recently. The now obsolete IS-6 is 11,800 gold and T34 is also 12,000 Gold, IS-5 is 15,200 for Reskin and 12,000 without, FCM 50T Liberte is 15,080 with reskin and 11,900 without.

People moan about prices but compared to other weaker reskins, it isn't bad at all and if they get the mega bundle then it's just less than 11,000 for one, if they can afford it. I'm fairly sure they will buy the Patriot though.

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View PostLucidTie, on 12 January 2018 - 02:29 PM, said:

Damn. Everyone wanted to get 252U due to it being OP his excellent stats as they are on PC, but now we are getting something that balanced is yet worse, but even more expensive. That’s a bad move WG, that is a very bad move.
Thanks for failing expectations of some of us.

 

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View PostPontiac Pat, on 13 January 2018 - 06:07 AM, said:

 

I agree 100%.  We asked for the 131 pen buff and they gave in to it, and now they feel locked in to not nerfing it.  This is a far better approach.  Bring it in with room to grow if it needs a boost later on.

 

Great theory.  In reality nothing gets fixed.  SP still has garbage pen, nameless GD joke, etc.  they don’t buff crap premiums, they just hope you will buy the next one, expecting it to be better.






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