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ATHFjman18 #41 Posted 13 January 2018 - 01:07 AM

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Not fair! Not cool! They should have buffed it and lowered the price! I’ll never buy another premium again!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Cruiser Abukuma #42 Posted 13 January 2018 - 01:19 AM

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View PostJoco3000, on 12 January 2018 - 06:20 PM, said:

Which is very good.

Which is both good and bad.

It didn't deserve such a price hike, but it does go some way to even further reduce the numbers of what is still a very capable machine.

 

Overall, good job WG.

Oh, I'm hoping so as well.

I'm still bitter over things like the T23E3, Tiger 131 and STA-2, so them doing some good changes is refreshing.

 

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View PostCruiser Abukuma, on 12 January 2018 - 05:15 PM, said:

they nerfed it and increased the price.. more like bad job WG

^This

 

It got gun nerfs it didn’t need.   The lower plate nerf is fine imo.   The gun wasn’t the problem although, it’s dumb for it to have 440 average while the IS-3 and the rest of the IS series tanks that have a 122mm only deal 390 average damage.   Same caliber but different damage is called power creep imo.


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Hex Arcana #44 Posted 13 January 2018 - 01:34 AM

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Lol, WGC can't win. If they balance premiums they're porting over, the crowd that wants to pay for advantage get aggro'd. If they don't, everyone else gets aggro'd.

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View PostR35T NO MORE, on 13 January 2018 - 05:03 AM, said:

Just read about the nerfs to the Defender. It's great to see you guys learn from some of PCs mistakes. That tank would have been far too powerful and although some will be annoyed, it is a great decision for the game. Most tier 6s and 7s wouldn't have stood a chance against it and at least now they can flank or just stay at range, and tanks should now be able to pen the lower plate without needing stupid amounts of pen. 

 

I'm hoping you guys also adjust the Chrysler K when it is added, i'm now confident that you will :great: 

 

Of all the PC games at T8 I have played I have only seen 1 Chrysler K in game.  The tank, though OP, is not that popular.  I'm guessing since the tank is OP, but the gun is rubbish.  I do though see Defenders/Obj252us and Namelesses a lot.  
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View PostR35T NO MORE, on 13 January 2018 - 05:54 AM, said:

Btw guys, the Lowe is, like i said the other day, still worth buying. For those who want a heavy that can counter the Defender, the Lowe is ideal. Its gun should cut through the Defenders LFP and the Lowe can engage at ranges that the Soviet tank won't be able to at all. 

 

However if you are great at brawling and facehugging etc than the Defender will be one of if not the very best premium for doing so. 

 

 

Even on the PC Defender/Obj252u I have shot through the lower front plate with a T-54 mod 1 at close range.  Like point blank range.  Can't remember though if it was AP or APCR I was using.  The issue though is once the player angled the low plate nothing but bounces.  I have had the 248 pen of a standard round from the WZ-120 1G FT pen a Defender/Obj252u lower plate at distance also on PC.  Though console doesn't have the WZ-120 1G FT yet, a comparable gun on console should work also.  
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View PostCruiser Abukuma, on 12 January 2018 - 10:15 PM, said:

they nerfed it and increased the price.. more like bad job WG

Do both of those things upset you? Are you upset that it received a nerf at all, or just in the context of the higher price? 



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View Postpr0fit0fcanabis, on 12 January 2018 - 10:24 PM, said:

Do both of those things upset you? Are you upset that it received a nerf at all, or just in the context of the higher price? 

 

i never planned on buying it.. my issue is that they are nerfing a tank and making it worse than its pc counterpart, and then inflating the price for effectively no reason other than greed.

 

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View PostCruiser Abukuma, on 13 January 2018 - 02:56 AM, said:

 

i never planned on buying it.. my issue is that they are nerfing a tank and making it worse than its pc counterpart, and then inflating the price for effectively no reason other than greed.

So if they left the tank as it is on pc and solld it at the inflated price that would be better? If they left the tank the same and at the same price would this then be best? 



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View Postpr0fit0fcanabis, on 12 January 2018 - 11:01 PM, said:

So if they left the tank as is and sold it at the inflated price that would be better? If they left the tank the same and at the same price would this then be best? 

 

if they left the tank the same as the pc version i would expect the price to be the same.. not higher.. 

 

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View PostCruiser Abukuma, on 13 January 2018 - 03:02 AM, said:

 

if they left the tank the same as the pc version i would expect the price to be the same.. not higher.. 

So its really just the price that hacks you off not the nerfs at all?  Your original statement conflates the two and i am confused as to wheter or not you think the tank should have the nerfs or not.  



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View Postpr0fit0fcanabis, on 12 January 2018 - 11:05 PM, said:

So its really just the price that hacks you off not the nerfs at all?  Your original statement conflates the two and i am confused as to wheter or not you think the tank should have the nerfs or not.  

 

i could care less about the nerfs... the nerfs are just the cherry on top of the already inflated price.. nerfs or not i wasnt gonna buy it cause the price was hiked up 3k gold.. which i guess wouldnt matter that much but then you add on that it was over nerfed which means youd be paying 3k more for a tank worse than the pc version.. which imo is a no no and a money grab at its finest

 

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View PostCruiser Abukuma, on 13 January 2018 - 03:26 AM, said:

 

i could care less about the nerfs... the nerfs are just the cherry on top of the already inflated price.. nerfs or not i wasnt gonna buy it cause the price was hiked up 3k gold.. which i guess wouldnt matter that much but then you add on that it was over nerfed which means youd be paying 3k more for a tank worse than the pc version.. which imo is a no no and a money grab at its finest

A lot simpler to just mention the price if you don' care about the nerfs,  you know.  



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I call bad job!

 

A lot of hype about these tanks coming from PC. Are they hoping that the player base is stupid and doesn’t notice that they’ve smacked this tank at both ends?

 

There’s only one reason you’d put yourself through the pain of playing an 8 that sees 10s and that is to earn silver. The tanks gun stats have taken a hit and it’s armour. I can understand one being done but not both. That means overall less damage potential and less survivability!

 

I just wanted to add that there are still the unbalanced tier X tank destroyers rolling around untouched by any form of nerf.

 

 



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With this nerf, 252  will be an easy kill. I'm not going to buy it, so thank you WG. 

Will be doing more damage on players who are going to buy this useless crap. And I'm pretty sure - I'll see them a lot. People have difficulties with learning. They didn't get the lesson from all this [edited]like Captured/King Tiger, Adler, etc. 


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Nerf doesn't mean useless, it will still be very powerful but now it will require a certain playstyle. It also means WGCB noticed it was too powerful as it was and have nerfed it as, like others have said, it's easier to nerf what is obviously a completely OP tank before release and then see how it performs and buff if need be, instead of releasing it as being idiot proof then nerf it and have everyone demand refunds. 

 

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View PostR35T NO MORE, on 12 January 2018 - 02:03 PM, said:

Just read about the nerfs to the Defender. It's great to see you guys learn from some of PCs mistakes. That tank would have been far too powerful and although some will be annoyed, it is a great decision for the game. Most tier 6s and 7s wouldn't have stood a chance against it and at least now they can flank or just stay at range, and tanks should now be able to pen the lower plate without needing stupid amounts of pen. 

 

I'm hoping you guys also adjust the Chrysler K when it is added, i'm now confident that you will :great: 

Tier VI and VII still don't stand a chance.

They decreased the lower plate by 10mm, you will need 205 penetration to be able to penetrate the lower plate, this means the majority of players will still need to spam gold.



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View PostCruiser Abukuma, on 13 January 2018 - 01:19 AM, said:

 

notice the yes man attitude

Wait, agreeing with WG for nerfing a tank that we, as a community, agreed should be nerfed, makes me a yes-man?

Do you actually read what you post, or do you immediately regurgitate the first thing that pops into your atrophied head?

 

View PostCruiser Abukuma, on 13 January 2018 - 01:19 AM, said:

surprise surprise, no wonder you're still in ST

No, I'm still in ST because I don't argue with everyone if they disagree with me in the slightest, with all of the coherence of Ozzy Osborne in the 70's.

You didn't even provide a counterargument. Straight onto the attacks.

 

View PostXERXEZS, on 13 January 2018 - 01:52 PM, said:

Tier VI and VII still don't stand a chance.

 

No, I think they do.

Most Object 252Us will be driven by someone who probably needs a map to use a toilet, so any well-driven tier VI and VII would be able to get by.

It's not ideal, but we'll have to see on the 15th.


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View PostXERXEZS, on 13 January 2018 - 01:52 PM, said:

Tier VI and VII still don't stand a chance.

 

They can if they use terrain well. The average Defender play will yolo any tank they meet. Most tier 6s and 7s have good rof. Track it going over any kind of bump in terrain and then plant shots into the (then)  alot less angled lower plate. 

 

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View PostCruiser Abukuma, on 13 January 2018 - 04:26 AM, said:

 

i could care less about the nerfs... the nerfs are just the cherry on top of the already inflated price.. nerfs or not i wasnt gonna buy it cause the price was hiked up 3k gold.. which i guess wouldnt matter that much but then you add on that it was over nerfed which means youd be paying 3k more for a tank worse than the pc version.. which imo is a no no and a money grab at its finest

 

So you do care about the nerfs?

And it would be totally fine with you if it was OP as people expected it to be?

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And calling someone a yes-man just because they're an ST just makes you look like you're looking for a fight and not actually interested in a discussion.


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