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T26E5 Pershing T32 T34 Centurion I Caernarvon FV4202 All American 90mm Panther 8.8 UK rebalance

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Kaboost #1 Posted 14 January 2018 - 11:38 PM

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My main concern is the T26E5 Patriot. Never played the tank but looking at its stats it seems to powercreep almost all of the tier 8s that have 240, 250 alpha damage. It has the best penetration out of all of them & on console has the 3rd highest DPM(57 lower than TVP VTU, 28 lower than STA 2). I know the console version doesn't always want to be like the PC but I was doing a tank comparison on their wiki and the tanks with similar alpha are indeed buffed making the T26E5 Patriot look more balanced amounst it's peers.

 

So do you guys think Tier 8 needs reworked or is this all just a overreaction/overhype by PC players?  I personally think the PC buffs is enough to balance out the amount of people playing these new tanks but we don't have even half of those buffs

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Edited by Kaboost, 15 January 2018 - 12:31 AM.

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​Update 4.2 and 4.6 were terrible


LevelStream18 #2 Posted 14 January 2018 - 11:53 PM

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On PC this tank is often considered to powercreep other tanks, and some say it is outright OP. I think we just have to see how it affects the meta of the game when it arrives tomorrow

Haukkis #3 Posted 14 January 2018 - 11:58 PM

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Jagtiger 8.8 cm and STA-2 have higher dpm. Some heavy tanks (with different alpha) have better penetration, like T34 and Löwe. 

Kaboost #4 Posted 15 January 2018 - 12:28 AM

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View PostHaukkis, on 14 January 2018 - 05:58 PM, said:

Jagtiger 8.8 cm and STA-2 have higher dpm. Some heavy tanks (with different alpha) have better penetration, like T34 and Löwe. 

Jag 8.8 was a TD so I didn't compare it. As for the STA, ​I didn't realize it got a RoF buff. Will fix


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sumplkrum #5 Posted 15 January 2018 - 02:03 AM

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Just looking at stats, generally the tanks that have similar dpm don't have anywhere near the armor.
It also looks fairly mobile for a heavy. Way better than the Caernavon and T32.

Add in the standard pen and you have something that's very strong as a package.

WG is obviously looking to sell lots of them because they're pretty dummy-proof out of the box.

 


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View Postsumplkrum, on 14 January 2018 - 09:03 PM, said:

Just looking at stats, generally the tanks that have similar dpm don't have anywhere near the armor.
It also looks fairly mobile for a heavy. Way better than the Caernavon and T32.

Add in the standard pen and you have something that's very strong as a package.

WG is obviously looking to sell lots of them because they're pretty dummy-proof out of the box.

 

Speaking of the Caernavon I've mentioned it somewhere else but never got an answer. Has anyone heard if we are supposed to get the huge buffs the PC recieved.



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View PostKilroyWasHere17, on 14 January 2018 - 08:33 PM, said:

Speaking of the Caernavon I've mentioned it somewhere else but never got an answer. Has anyone heard if we are supposed to get the huge buffs the PC recieved.

They did say they're planning on adding the Super Conquer in 2018. They'll probably do it then, hopefully sooner as it's a very meh tank with it's current turret.


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I'm sure we'll get the re-balanced UK heavy line.  The only tank that I think the Patriot creeps is the T32.  IMO, the T32 needs its 90mm gun stats improved to match and then we'd be OK.

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View PostKaboost, on 14 January 2018 - 10:05 PM, said:

They did say they're planning on adding the Super Conquer in 2018. They'll probably do it then, hopefully sooner as it's a very meh tank with it's current turret.

Good point didn' think about that makes sense thanks.



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Super Pershing T26E4 must get nerf.

170mm penetration is too dangerous for opponents.

 

167mm penetration KV-5 is to much.

This vechicle must get nerf, immediately..

 

 



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View PostKaboost, on 14 January 2018 - 11:38 PM, said:

 
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CK Tiger pen. AP/APCR/HE (212/259/45) ØDMG 240, 6,7 sec. reload

T34 HT pen. AP/APCR/HE (248/297/60) ØDMG 400, 15 sec. reload

Patriot APCR/APCR/HE (230/259/45) ØDMG 240, 7,2 sec. reload

LÖWE pen. AP/APCR/HE (234/294/60) ØDMG 320, 12 sec. reload

Caernavon pen. AP/APCR/HE (226/258/42) ØDMG 230, 7,8 sec. reload

AMX CDC and FCM 50t pen. AP/APCR/HE (212/259/45) ØDMG 240, 7,3 sec. reload

AMX M4 mle. 49 pen. AP/APCR/HE (232/263/50) ØDMG 300, 10,3 sec. reload

AMX 50 100 pen. AP/APCR/HE (232/263/50) ØDMG 300, 11,1 sec. reload (for 1 shell)

STA 2 pen. AP/APCR/HE (212/275/45). ØDMG 240, 7,1 sec. reload

Primo Victoria pen. AP/APCR/HE (226/258/42) ØDMG 240, 7,5 sec. reload

 

I think its not different if a tank got 2 cm lower penetration than other tanks.

 

I think the Patriot is OK like he is now! CK Tiger got a realy good gun and DPM. Dont think that Patriot can top this!!!

 

And i think that the Defender is also good as he is.


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The T32 definitely needs to be rebalanced in light of its new better-in-every-way (apart from the turret) premium counterpart. How I would go about doing so is making the T32 more historical. The T32 was intended in real life to use its "stock" gun- I don't think the 105mm was ever proposed.The US military intended to fire new APCR shells out of the 90mm T15E2 as the Pershing's shells were getting long in the tooth (according to the T32 Wikipedia article). In game, the tank is forced to use the 105mm which has terrible pen at Tier 8. I propose making the 90mm the top gun and make its standard ammo APCR. Make the penetration the same as or higher than the Patriot (230-258mm). 

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View Postzikakiz, on 15 January 2018 - 06:53 PM, said:

The T32 definitely needs to be rebalanced in light of its new better-in-every-way (apart from the turret) premium counterpart. How I would go about doing so is making the T32 more historical. The T32 was intended in real life to use its "stock" gun- I don't think the 105mm was ever proposed.The US military intended to fire new APCR shells out of the 90mm T15E2 as the Pershing's shells were getting long in the tooth (according to the T32 Wikipedia article). In game, the tank is forced to use the 105mm which has terrible pen at Tier 8. I propose making the 90mm the top gun and make its standard ammo APCR. Make the penetration the same as or higher than the Patriot (230-258mm). 

I think similar pen and RoF would balance it out. All the American 90s at that tier are wrose than the Patriot's 90. Change that and do the UK rebalance and the Patriot doesn't power creep anyone


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No nerfing we got are tanks ! Don't change them .

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View PostSoogen7, on 16 January 2018 - 07:06 PM, said:

No nerfing we got are tanks ! Don't change them .

 

Wasn’t saying it should be nerfed was saying other tier 8s should be buffed slightly 

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Buy a t-29 heavy tank again . It is a good tank

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View PostSoogen7, on 17 January 2018 - 04:46 PM, said:

Buy a t-29 heavy tank again . It is a good tank

 

That is literally why everyone wants a gun buff on the T32. Hell, I don't even own one and I want a buff on it- for balance's sake. 

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I still find that I prefer the captured king tiger to the Patriot... but that's because I love the German gun handling.

But the Patriot has good mobility and nice frontal armor.

I don't see the Patriot as OP, but it is a solid, above-average premium tank which will be dangerous in a good player's hands.

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I'd like the T34 to get a bit of love, slight ROF increase and aim time would be nice.

 

The T32 probably needs a pen buff on the 105.

 

The Super Pershing definitely needs a pen buff on the regular AP.

 

 

The STA's DPM is ok but the accuracy and shell velocity is very derpy, meaning you miss/bounce a fair few shots even fully aimed.



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Had received xext nerf to T26E4 & Freedom most popular 8's tier premium tanks.

-22mm to penetration on AP rounds

 

Admin WG mister MaxChaos24 has wrote few dayz ago that we have 9.17.1 server version of World of Tanks Console

Look like that we just got a next nerft to Super Pershing

Worst standart ammunition, -22mm low pen

 

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