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pepelefrogg #1 Posted 13 February 2018 - 09:49 PM

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Seems that after the previous update HE got tweeked. I don't remember many times doing zero damage with HE in the past. Now it is often. If a player is stuck fighting or assisting against a tank two tiers up and even prammo is useless, I should be able to break a track or score 20hp with HE. SOMETHING! Anyone else notice this happening too often?

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I don't always use HE rounds..

 

But when I do.. I do see some damage. Stay thirsty my friends!

 

 

LOL! Anyways, I do use some HE rounds. I haven't seen 0 yet. I see some numbers show up. Are you hitting the right spots? I know you should at least track a tank's track if you can't splash damage something.



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I know that non penetrating HESH rounds do 700 damage to my Maus, but in my light tank they still do the same amount of damage. How does HESH work. Does it ignore armor?

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What gun were you firing HE from?

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HE damage mechanics have not been changed at all.

 

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View PostTempest fox3, on 13 February 2018 - 10:09 PM, said:

What gun were you firing HE from?

 

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View PostNightOfDeaths, on 13 February 2018 - 03:07 PM, said:

I know that non penetrating HESH rounds do 700 damage to my Maus, but in my light tank they still do the same amount of damage. How does HESH work. Does it ignore armor?

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View PostNightOfDeaths, on 13 February 2018 - 04:07 PM, said:

I know that non penetrating HESH rounds do 700 damage to my Maus, but in my light tank they still do the same amount of damage. How does HESH work. Does it ignore armor?

 

Missed this first time around. HE, HESH, HEP, and Premium HE all have the exact same non-penetration damage mechanics (average damage halved then further reduced by spaced armor/armor thickness/distance from point of impact). HESH and HEP just have a higher than average penetration value (this has no affect on non-penetrating hits) and Premium HE tends to have a large blast radius.

 

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View PostJohn Arrowsmith, on 13 February 2018 - 05:33 PM, said:

 

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Most recently hit the side of a black prince twice from 500m with the 60g ft. Forgive me I'm at work I don't remember the actual gun. Not the last package. But I've had three or four recent games where I saw the shell hit the tank and not cause damage.  Maybe just a run of bad luck. Thanks guys

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View PostBeta582, on 13 February 2018 - 04:59 PM, said:

 

Missed this first time around. HE, HESH, HEP, and Premium HE all have the exact same non-penetration damage mechanics (average damage halved then further reduced by spaced armor/armor thickness/distance from point of impact). HESH and HEP just have a higher than average penetration value (this has no affect on non-penetrating hits) and Premium HE tends to have a large blast radius.

 

Hope this clears some things up.

 

I see, thank you.

 

 

Still annoying how they can just HESH me to death though.


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View PostNightOfDeaths, on 13 February 2018 - 04:07 PM, said:

I know that non penetrating HESH rounds do 700 damage to my Maus, but in my light tank they still do the same amount of damage. How does HESH work. Does it ignore armor?

 

My HESH only seems to splash a Maus for like 400. Mine must be broken. 


 

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I'm gonna bump this because I can never remember so many dud HE rounds. What clinched it for me was my last battle. I'm in a Jpanther II shooting at an OI. He's nearly dead but only giving me the top 1/3 of his turret. 400m APCR is too expensive and not reliably penning. Nevermind I'll finish him off with an HE or two. blap. zero blap zero blap zero. Three hits three zeroes. A greenie finished him off but it's gotten so that I'm thinking about ditching them universally. How does a tier viii 105 not cause ANY damage to a tier vi with HE? Imagine if that was a cap situation...

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View Postpepelefrogg, on 02 March 2018 - 04:56 AM, said:

I'm gonna bump this because I can never remember so many dud HE rounds. What clinched it for me was my last battle. I'm in a Jpanther II shooting at an OI. He's nearly dead but only giving me the top 1/3 of his turret. 400m APCR is too expensive and not reliably penning. Nevermind I'll finish him off with an HE or two. blap. zero blap zero blap zero. Three hits three zeroes. A greenie finished him off but it's gotten so that I'm thinking about ditching them universally. How does a tier viii 105 not cause ANY damage to a tier vi with HE? Imagine if that was a cap situation...

You've got what 225 base pen? Why would you not just fire ap?

 

I generally only fire it at high tier waffle line or e3 rear if caught in open.


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HE will do dmg every single time you shoot it unless the armor is very thick, you hit their gun, or you dirt it into their track. Depending on the size of your gun and the enemy tanks armor you may do nothing. Specifically for HESH (from a deathstar) you can shoot a T95 and on very rare occasions you can roll a 0 damage as ive done it. 


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View PostCodenameGunther, on 02 March 2018 - 06:31 AM, said:

You've got what 225 base pen? Why would you not just fire ap?

 

I generally only fire it at high tier waffle line or e3 rear if caught in open.

 

they were bouncing... Like I said it was a long shot and I only had the top 1/3 of the turret. It is possible he wasn't looking directly at me thus putting some angle to it. Maybe I was hitting the side at a long angle. But they were bouncing. HE doesn't bounce

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View PostzyNfrix, on 02 March 2018 - 07:13 AM, said:

HE will do dmg every single time you shoot it unless the armor is very thick, you hit their gun, or you dirt it into their track. Depending on the size of your gun and the enemy tanks armor you may do nothing. Specifically for HESH (from a deathstar) you can shoot a T95 and on very rare occasions you can roll a 0 damage as ive done it. 

 

tell that to the bottom tier arty that gets zeroes hitting high tier heavies... OFTEN And very often lately

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View Postpepelefrogg, on 02 March 2018 - 11:37 PM, said:

 

tell that to the bottom tier arty that gets zeroes hitting high tier heavies... OFTEN And very often lately

 

​Now this I can agree with. Haven't noticed much if any change in HE shot out of my other tanks, but Arty definitely has been reduced. Especially when two tiers down.....

Edited by JatemKaa, 03 March 2018 - 05:59 AM.


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View Postpepelefrogg, on 02 March 2018 - 11:37 PM, said:

HE will do dmg every single time you shoot it unless the armor is very thick, you hit their gun, or you dirt it into their track.

tell that to the bottom tier arty that gets zeroes hitting high tier heavies... OFTEN And very often lately

 

I mean im pretty sure what i said is the exact same for arty. Some arty's do not have much pen or splash and there for roll 0's. The sexton 1 for example if you get tier fives you have a chance to roll zeros on some heavies. It happens, just aim for a different tank or try to hit his tracks so your teammates can kill him. Maybe he will turn to shoot a teammate and you will be able to hit his side. 

 

Nothing to my knowledge has been changed for HE shells. In regards to arty there have always been many different low tier arty that roll zeros on some heavies. 


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