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NSW Mntd Rifles #1 Posted 08 March 2018 - 07:09 AM

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The Australian Cruiser AC-III Thunderbolt was a variant of the AC-I Sentinel. It was armed with a 25pdr gun modified for turret mounting. Only one was manufactured. It is in the collection of the Australian War Memorial.

 

I would dearly like to see it as a Tier V premium.

 

https://www.awm.gov....lection/C110382



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Yeah, I'd be up for that!

PLK180W #3 Posted 08 March 2018 - 08:59 PM

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That could be amusing.
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NSW Mntd Rifles #4 Posted 08 March 2018 - 10:49 PM

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View PostPLK180W, on 09 March 2018 - 06:59 AM, said:

That could be amusing.

 

I believe so. :justwait:

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It should be a tier 5 in a commonwealth tech tree

NSW Mntd Rifles #6 Posted 15 March 2018 - 09:35 AM

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View PostRAD FROOD 25, on 15 March 2018 - 02:02 AM, said:

It should be a tier 5 in a commonwealth tech tree

 

All the other Australian Cruisers are premiums. It would be nice to see an Australian Cruiser line in the tech tree:

 

  • AC-II at Tier III
  • AC-I at Tier IV
  • AC-III at Tier V
  • AC-IV at Tier VI

 

They did it with the Shermans, why not the Australian Cruisers?


Edited by NSW Mntd Rifles, 15 March 2018 - 09:35 AM.


RAD FROOD 25 #7 Posted 20 March 2018 - 01:13 PM

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View PostNSW Mntd Rifles, on 15 March 2018 - 09:35 AM, said:

 

All the other Australian Cruisers are premiums. It would be nice to see an Australian Cruiser line in the tech tree:

 

  • AC-II at Tier III
  • AC-I at Tier IV
  • AC-III at Tier V
  • AC-IV at Tier VI

 

They did it with the Shermans, why not the Australian Cruisers?

 

Tier 2. Scholfield Mk II 

Tier 3. ALTE 1941

Tier 4. AC-1 Sentinel 

Tier 5. AC-3 Thunderbolt

Tier 6. AC-4 Experimental 



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Yeah, that is exactly what we need at the lower Tiers, another DERP.

 

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View PostRAD FROOD 25, on 20 March 2018 - 11:13 PM, said:

 

Tier 2. Scholfield Mk II 

Tier 3. ALTE 1941

Tier 4. AC-1 Sentinel 

Tier 5. AC-3 Thunderbolt

Tier 6. AC-4 Experimental 

 

What happened to the AC-2?

 

And pardon my ignorance, but what is an ALTE 1941? And what does it have to do with Australia? 



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View PostNSW Mntd Rifles, on 21 March 2018 - 06:14 AM, said:

 

SAnd pardon my ignorance, but what is an ALTE 1941? And what does it have to do with Australia? 

 

That’s a new one to me as well

 

Could always put the AC-2 at tier III considering its transmission and engine, givin

 it the 2-pdr Mk,IX rather then the Mk.X on the AC-1. Armour could be an issue though.

 

Packages could be a bit of a problem, I know that there was a different turret that was designed for the 17-pdr, (unlike the in game models, there were a few features different between the AC-1 and the proposed production AC-4), can think of a few guns that could be used, (basically, anything British between tier III-VI, same with Radios), but the choice of engines is a bit limited.


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View PostPLK180W, on 22 March 2018 - 07:36 AM, said:

 

That’s a new one to me as well

 

Could always put the AC-2 at tier III considering its transmission and engine, givin

 it the 2-pdr Mk,IX rather then the Mk.X on the AC-1. Armour could be an issue though.

 

Packages could be a bit of a problem, I know that there was a different turret that was designed for the 17-pdr, (unlike the in game models, there were a few features different between the AC-1 and the proposed production AC-4), can think of a few guns that could be used, (basically, anything British between tier III-VI, same with Radios), but the choice of engines is a bit limited.

 

I agree. The AC-2 would be a Tier II troll! 

 

Yes, the AC-IV in the game is based on some hybrid in a museum somewhere. I have read that the actual AC-IV had a quite different engine and power train arrangement.

 

I remain adamant that only guns manufactured in Australia should be used on the variants. I would agree to a 6pdr. 

 



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View PostNSW Mntd Rifles, on 22 March 2018 - 01:53 AM, said:

.I remain adamant that only guns manufactured in Australia should be used on the variants. I would agree to a 6pdr. 

 

Guns I was thinking of are the 2-pdr, 3" & 3.7" AT Mortars, 6-pdr and the 75mm Mk.IV (the rechambered 6-pdr). The last gun is the only one that I don't know whether it was built in Australia or not.

 

 


Edited by PLK180W, 22 March 2018 - 07:56 AM.

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NSW Mntd Rifles #13 Posted 22 March 2018 - 09:51 AM

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View PostPLK180W, on 22 March 2018 - 05:55 PM, said:

 

Guns I was thinking of are the 2-pdr, 3" & 3.7" AT Mortars, 6-pdr and the 75mm Mk.IV (the rechambered 6-pdr). The last gun is the only one that I don't know whether it was built in Australia or not.

 

 

 

This is my understanding of Australian small arms and artillery production in World War II:

 

  • Short Magazine Lee Enfield rifle - 411,050
  • Vickers Machine Gun – 11,436
  • Bren LMG – 17,434
  • 2 pounder anti-tank gun – 1,580
  • 6 pounder anti-tank gun – 900
  • 17 pounder anti-tank gun – 128
  • 25 pounder field gun – 1,905
  • 25 pounder field gun (short) – 219
  • Bofors 40mm AA gun – 290
  • 3.7 inch AA gun – 497
  • Owen SMG – 45,463
  • Austen SMG – 19,905
  • 2-inch mortar – 2,000
  • 3-inch mortar – 3,006
  • 4.2-inch mortar – 300

 

The re-chambered 6pdr was probably not manufactured as that program was discontinued in favour of the 17pdr.


Edited by NSW Mntd Rifles, 22 March 2018 - 09:52 AM.


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View PostNSW Mntd Rifles, on 22 March 2018 - 09:51 AM, said:

 

 

The re-chambered 6pdr was probably not manufactured as that program was discontinued in favour of the 17pdr.

 

Possibly not, main reason for the re-chambering though was to give the 6-pdr a better H.E. round, (unfortunately at a cost of armour pen), and to aid logistics, (since it used an American 75mm round).

 

Wasn't sure if Australia modified any to be used as field guns though....


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View PostPLK180W, on 25 March 2018 - 07:16 AM, said:

 

Possibly not, main reason for the re-chambering though was to give the 6-pdr a better H.E. round, (unfortunately at a cost of armour pen), and to aid logistics, (since it used an American 75mm round).

 

Wasn't sure if Australia modified any to be used as field guns though....

 

It seems unlikely. Australian industry focused on manufacturing 25pdrs for field artillery. There was even a modified, light weight, 25pdr suitable for the kind jungle warfare encountered in New Guinea and Bougainville.

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View PostNSW Mntd Rifles, on 26 March 2018 - 09:46 PM, said:

 

It seems unlikely. Australian industry focused on manufacturing 25pdrs for field artillery. There was even a modified, light weight, 25pdr suitable for the kind jungle warfare encountered in New Guinea and Bougainville.

 

That was my thinking on the issue as well, but wasn't 100% sure on the matter, (IIRC, the lightweight 25-pdr may actually have stemmed from the AC-3 development ).
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View PostNSW Mntd Rifles, on 21 March 2018 - 06:14 AM, said:

And pardon my ignorance, but what is an ALTE 1941? And what does it have to do with Australia? 

 

Apparently the original post related to the AELT project, (basically a boxed in universal carrier with a turret)


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The addition of the ACIII would be a “must buy” for me!

 

I would be interested to see what the numbers for damage and penetration, from the 20lb armour piercing shell, firing through the extended barrel, as well as the blast damage of the HE?

 

The III had an improved slope on the frontal armour as well as other improvements learned from the developments of the earlier marks.

 

I hope to get to see the real thing, that’s stored in Canberr,  again some day.



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View PostNSW Mntd Rifles, on 08 March 2018 - 07:09 AM, said:

The Australian Cruiser AC-III Thunderbolt was a variant of the AC-I Sentinel. It was armed with a 25pdr gun modified for turret mounting. Only one was manufactured. It is in the collection of the Australian War Memorial.

 

I would dearly like to see it as a Tier V premium.

 

https://www.awm.gov....lection/C110382

 



I recently suggested Wargaming add a line of Australian tanks, and the Thunderbolt was one I included as a suggestion :)



http://forum-console.worldoftanks.com/index.php?/topic/209164-australian-nation-tanks/






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