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YCS-186 #1 Posted 14 March 2018 - 09:32 AM

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I just found this article on the PC site, the full Italian tree has finally been unveiled. It's a single medium line, with tiers VIII, IX, and X having the new auto-reloader mechanic.

 

I: Fiat 3000

II: M14/41 or L6/40 (optional)

III: M15/42

IV: P26/40

V: P.43

VI: P.43 bis

VII: P.43 ter

VIII: P.44 Pantera

IX: Prototipo Standard B

X: Progetto M40 mod 65

 

Pictures and descriptions in article:

https://worldoftanks...-italian-tanks/

 

In addition to these, there will also be the tier VIII premium Progetto M35 mod 46, which was revealed months ago. Personally, I really love how these tanks look and can't wait for them to come to console. However, I am disappointed that there's no TD branch for the Carro Veloce and Semovente, and that the Leone and OF 40 Mk. 1 are not optional tier X tanks on the tech tree. The tier X we are getting does look awesome, though. I really hope we get this line before the end of the year.


Edited by YCS-186, 14 March 2018 - 09:43 AM.

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Xenith_Inc #2 Posted 14 March 2018 - 09:41 AM

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The Auto-reloader sounds very interesting, I wondering if it will be rolled out to other auto loaders - kind of leaves them in the dust.

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View PostXenith_Inc, on 14 March 2018 - 09:41 AM, said:

The Auto-reloader sounds very interesting, I wondering if it will be rolled out to other auto loaders - kind of leaves them in the dust.

Well in a showcase it was said, that if you play them as a pure single shot or autoloader it will be performing worse than each one of them. You need to find a sweet spot between them. So maybe this will have an even higher skill gap than autoloaders.

 

View PostYCS-186, on 14 March 2018 - 09:32 AM, said:

I just found this article on the PC site, the full Italian tree has finally been unveiled. It's a single medium line, with tiers VIII, IX, and X having the new auto-reloader mechanic.

 

I: Fiat 3000

II: M14/41 or L6/40 (optional)

III: M15/42

IV: P26/40

V: P.43

VI: P.43 bis

VII: P.43 ter

VIII: P.44 Pantera

IX: Prototipo Standard B

X: Progetto M40 mod 65

 

Pictures and descriptions in article:

https://worldoftanks...-italian-tanks/

 

In addition to these, there will also be the tier VIII premium Progetto M35 mod 46, which was revealed months ago. Personally, I really love how these tanks look and can't wait for them to come to console. However, I am disappointed that there's no TD branch for the Carro Veloce and Semovente, and that the Leone and OF 40 Mk. 1 are not optional tier X tanks on the tech tree. The tier X we are getting does look awesome, though. I really hope we get this line before the end of the year.

Yes I also hope we get those tanks yesterday!

Why would they reveal the whole tech tree at once. They never do this. First they get the mediums out. Maybe after that we'll be getting TDs from Italy.


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bux1303 #4 Posted 14 March 2018 - 10:20 AM

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We will have to wait some more time for the italians because we are still too far behind with the updates. 
Before that the new British, the WZ111-5A, russian heavy tank and TD and the French heavy tank line will come. 
Then we will sometime get the premium tank of the Italians. And then the Italian tech tree will come.
But the new loading mechanic is very interresting :)


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Will the Italian premium tanks have the ability to switch sides  :harp:  ?

 

Bad joke, I know :hiding:


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Norrin-Radd_SS01 #6 Posted 14 March 2018 - 11:26 AM

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How are we to use Italian tanks? It's a finite space you can only run away so far. Do they have a white flag and/or an abandon tank button?

ATHFjman18 #7 Posted 14 March 2018 - 11:57 AM

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Sounds like fun. I doubt console will see this anytime soon. (Also, if this doesn’t break the 360, nothing will! :trollface:)

 

I don’t follow PC very closely, but do have a question. What the heck happened to the Polish line? They released the Pudel then stopped caring? Are these Italian tanks coming before the Polish line?



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I'm glad they finally did Italian TT. There were many threads and posts about it. It does seem a bit unfair that Italy was left out of WoT, and it was one of the 3 Major Axis Powers (Axis Berlin-Rome). Italy was there right from the start of WW2 and it was very active on African theatre even before the ww2. Yes, there are plenty of jokes about Italians and switching sides (both in WW1 and WW2), but also WW2 German tank history is well presented (maybe even over-presented) and Italian is non-existing. Italy was focused on Navy development, not so much on land forces, but Fascists took over power in Italy in 1922, so almost 11 years before Hitler came to power in Germany. Hitler was impressed by Italy at that time, and carefully learned from Italian examples and practice in many fields. At that time Germany was still under sanctions from WW1 and it was forbiden to have large standing army and armored forces, hence Germany  started production of ''Light tractors''. Italy at that time had many versions of predominantly light tanks or ''Tankettes''. WW2 was rude awakening for Italians when they learned of T-34's, Matildas, Lee's/Grant's and ultimately Shermans. Italian tanks were no match for allied tanks, but there were couple of solid TD's and medium tanks suitable for desert warfare at least at the opening stage of the war.

The 13. (Tiger) Kompanie, of Panzer Regiment Großdeutschland, reported on the performance of the 88 mm KwK 36 L/56, when their Tigers engaged the T-34: "First round hits were usually achieved at ranges between 800 to 1,000 meters. At these ranges, the Panzer Granate (they are referring to the PzGr. 39 APCBC ammunition) absolutely penetrated through the frontal armor, and usually still destroyed the engine at the rear of the T-34 tank. In 80 percent of the cases, shots from the same range hitting the side of the hull toward the rear of the tank resulted in the fuel tanks exploding. Even at ranges of 1,500 meters and longer, during favorable weather, it is possible to succeed in penetrating the T-34 with minimal expenditure of ammunition" (JENTZ, Thomas L.; Germany's TIGER Tanks - Tiger I and II: Combat Tactics; op. cit.).

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View Posttanair, on 14 March 2018 - 10:29 AM, said:

Will the Italian premium tanks have the ability to switch sides  :harp:  ?

 

Bad joke, I know :hiding:

 

No, the jokes are fine, they did switch sides in both World Wars actualy, but there was a part of Italy faithful to Germans until the bitter end (Republic of Salo, north Italy). The fact that Italy joined Allies in 1943 can be used as an advantage in WoT actualy. They could add some UK/US tanks to the TT which were probably used by Italian allied forces during the WW2, but also in period following the WW2.

 

For example 132nd Armoured Division Ariette had 3 battalions of M26 Pershing in period from 1948-52, M47 Patton from '63, and M60A1 Patton in '68-'75.

Some of it might be used for Italian TT.


Edited by Jope2209, 14 March 2018 - 12:41 PM.

The 13. (Tiger) Kompanie, of Panzer Regiment Großdeutschland, reported on the performance of the 88 mm KwK 36 L/56, when their Tigers engaged the T-34: "First round hits were usually achieved at ranges between 800 to 1,000 meters. At these ranges, the Panzer Granate (they are referring to the PzGr. 39 APCBC ammunition) absolutely penetrated through the frontal armor, and usually still destroyed the engine at the rear of the T-34 tank. In 80 percent of the cases, shots from the same range hitting the side of the hull toward the rear of the tank resulted in the fuel tanks exploding. Even at ranges of 1,500 meters and longer, during favorable weather, it is possible to succeed in penetrating the T-34 with minimal expenditure of ammunition" (JENTZ, Thomas L.; Germany's TIGER Tanks - Tiger I and II: Combat Tactics; op. cit.).

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View PostATHFjman18, on 14 March 2018 - 06:57 AM, said:

Sounds like fun. I doubt console will see this anytime soon. (Also, if this doesn’t break the 360, nothing will! :trollface:)

 

I don’t follow PC very closely, but do have a question. What the heck happened to the Polish line? They released the Pudel then stopped caring? Are these Italian tanks coming before the Polish line?

 

polish line is going to be more than just a medium line

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View PostTemplarKnight75, on 14 March 2018 - 10:07 AM, said:

 

polish line is going to be more than just a medium line

 

But the Polish line is not coming out before the Italian line? I just think it’s weird since the Pudel has been out for a while now whereas the Italian premium tank is not released yet, no?

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View PostATHFjman18, on 14 March 2018 - 10:44 AM, said:

 

But the Polish line is not coming out before the Italian line? I just think it’s weird since the Pudel has been out for a while now whereas the Italian premium tank is not released yet, no?

 

apparently the polish line will be bigger. I'm guessing both where being worked on but Italian being the smaller tree was easier to flesh out sooner. Just a guess. They probably had a better idea for the Italian line as,well considering how long it's been asked for

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View PostATHFjman18, on 14 March 2018 - 11:57 AM, said:

 

I don’t follow PC very closely, but do have a question. What the heck happened to the Polish line? They released the Pudel then stopped caring? Are these Italian tanks coming before the Polish line?

 

Looks like it. I can't find anything about the Polish tree. I guess they realized the Italian tree would be more popular and bumped it ahead of the Polish tree. Either that or the Polish tree has more than one line and therefore will take longer to develop. Still, it looks sloppy considering they released the Pudel months ago.


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View PostTemplarKnight75, on 14 March 2018 - 04:35 PM, said:

 

apparently the polish line will be bigger. I'm guessing both where being worked on but Italian being the smaller tree was easier to flesh out sooner. Just a guess. They probably had a better idea for the Italian line as,well considering how long it's been asked for

I don't see how the Polish line could be bigger, considering that their highest tier native tank design is about tier IV.

 

Czechoslovakia and Italy had a fairly active tank industry, the former especially. Poland did have a native tank industry, but the designs weren't particularly notable, and then there was that whole occupation by foreign powers issue.

 

I'd had thought that a Spanish line was more likely, at least in terms of viable tank designs.


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Can't get too excited quite yet. We haven't seen their planned stats for the vehicles yet.

 

I do find it amusing that they went with the Standardpanzer Prototype B (basically an Italian Leopard PTA) for the tier 9. Curious how this will be implemented.


 

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View PostJoco3000, on 14 March 2018 - 12:19 PM, said:

I don't see how the Polish line could be bigger, considering that their highest tier native tank design is about tier IV.

 

Czechoslovakia and Italy had a fairly active tank industry, the former especially. Poland did have a native tank industry, but the designs weren't particularly notable, and then there was that whole occupation by foreign powers issue.

 

I'd had thought that a Spanish line was more likely, at least in terms of viable tank designs.

 

their words not mine. Their plan is apparently to have the polish line be more than a single line anything beyond that is beyond my knowledge. Personally as long as they'e fun and look great the historical accuracy doesn't matter to me but I'm not the one digging into old archives in military records so Idk how historically accurate it'll be

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Will definitely be interesting to see how the drum works after the 1st shot, and how much it will be worth using the single shot based on the reload.

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View PostBeta582, on 14 March 2018 - 05:26 PM, said:

Can't get too excited quite yet. We haven't seen their planned stats for the vehicles yet.

 

I do find it amusing that they went with the Standardpanzer Prototype B (basically an Italian Leopard PTA) for the tier 9. Curious how this will be implemented.

The stats are available for all tiers.

For some reason, the tier IX and X deal only 350 average damage per shot.


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View PostJoco3000, on 14 March 2018 - 12:33 PM, said:

The stats are available for all tiers.

For some reason, the tier IX and X deal only 350 average damage per shot.

 

Where are the stats of the vehicles? Unless I am just blind and missing them on the page?

 

Also, Europanzer/Standardpanzer development was a mess...

 

EDIT: Everything I am finding is saying that the AMX prototypes were French (obviously) and the Prototype A (1 and 2) were made by Porsche and the Prototype B (1 and 2) were made by Rheinstahl-Henschel. Where do the Italians fit into this? I know they were a part of the program but I am struggling to figure out where...


 

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