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carlos_dayoos #21 Posted 22 March 2018 - 08:23 AM

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View PostNomad2001, on 21 March 2018 - 08:10 PM, said:

 

Carlos, Win8 is really meaningless if you want to have fun. I was a Beta tester from the beginning for the console on both the 360 and the One. I Supertested after go live until Aug of 2017, where I've been taking a break from testing. When I first started I had a Kill/Death ratio around 2.1, but now it's running around the 1.0 and sometimes below. Why? There's been quite a few changes since the beginning, but you'll find that the more you play the more likely you are to get on teams that simply don't play as teams. In the early days, there wasn't platoons, so if you were in a "party" you would go 1...2...3...Launch to try and get on the same team on the same map. Sometimes it worked and other times it didn't. Also back in those days people that were in party chat went into game chat to "communicate" with the rest of the team. Now there are so many "Trolls" playing the game that Party's don't go into game chat and there isn't any communication. The command prompts can only relay so much info, and people don't pay any attention to it most of the time. I platoon up with a few people, and I stay in game chat. Do not let your stats dictate how you play. I know that when I go over to the side that the lemming train hasn't gone to, that I'm most likely going to die a quick death with no kills, but why do I do it? Because I don't really care about my stats and someone has to check the flank. I'm not saying sacrifice yourself for the team, but I just don't really care about the stats anymore. I've got 25 Tier X tanks, over 220 tanks, with 40 or so empty slots. People are so obsessed with numbers on a video game it's funny. This is nothing like real life. Don't let it take over yours.

 

Hi Nomad thanks for the reply. The first thing i am going to do is not to play tier 10 for a while. That's why i have bought the biggest troll of them all e25 so i can also train some cameo play with it. Yeah, team play is long dead, everybody is more concentrated on doing fast damage in their OP tanks. (me too most of the time) Its difficult to change this behavior as long as wn8 is around. Maybe WG should block wn8 and promote a new rating system which awards team play i don't know. My biggest issue with the game is pace. Especially on console many games are finished within 5 minutes. There is no time anymore to find a nice spot or even think about strategy. To get most of the game we need communication as you stated before. Preferably, each team should have a fieldmarshal / commander telling the team-members where to go and how to use their roles to the max like in real battles. This game has the potential to become one of the best games around, just little changes are needed.



Sovietdeath #22 Posted 22 March 2018 - 09:32 AM

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View Postcarlos_dayoos, on 22 March 2018 - 03:23 AM, said:

Maybe WG should block wn8 and promote a new rating system which awards team play i don't know. 

 

You do know EFF/WN7/WN8 systems are player made and is not endorsed by WG right?

 

They don't promote any of them Players are the ones that do.



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I don't know if it's MM or sheer bad/luck, but I find one of the most frustrating things to be the win/loss strings. Some times you'll go on and you literally seem like you can't lose - other times you just can't buy a win. Looking at our group that plays, we're pretty much all hovering around the 50% win rate - I think the whole game is geared towards 50% win rates tbh - a 50% win rate keeps people interested. A 25% win rate is probably going to turn people off.

 

I don't mind this per se, and it's great when you go on a long string of wins, but the balancing seems blatant, and the loss-train is a ball ache and a half to grind through...


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View PostSovietdeath, on 22 March 2018 - 09:32 AM, said:

 

You do know EFF/WN7/WN8 systems are player made and is not endorsed by WG right?

 

They don't promote any of them Players are the ones that do.

 

Yeah i know, but there surely must be a way to block it from retrieving player battle information on the fly or not? I don't understand why WG is tolerating this. It's not like they are using that info for creating better MM or something and you don't have to be a genius to know that wn8 is influencing the game play in a bad way. I mean, its already proven that on the PC people are misusing xvm to single out poor players which is just plain cheating. Fortunately, there are no mods yet on the console but you never know.

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WG is providing player statistics through its API, not WN8 specifically. How third party websites choose to utilize this data is up to them.

 

As to whether WG should provide the data in the first place - it helps the player with personal growth. It tells me exactly which tanks I’m playing better/worse than average, so I can quickly identify any holes in my game. Rarely does anyone “get gud” over night. It’s always a cycle of identify, remediate, evaluate. I get that not everyone thinks like this. Some people just want to play for fun, and that’s fine. But for those of us with a more competitive nature, this helps us improve. That is where we find our fun.


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NOMAD2466 #26 Posted 22 March 2018 - 11:48 AM

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Either you guys live on a different planet or play a different game..WOT do! mess around with peoples percentage rates, it's built into the software of the game. Designed to knock you right down as many times as possible...so you play the game more?? €£€£€£€£€£'s. Come on people get with the programme. They're in the business of making money, as much as they can drain out of you...

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we can all play the game any way we want, but it looks like to me you've bought a bunch of premiums then free XPed your way up to the top tiers.

Which s fine, but now you're worried about your wn8.

The problem here is that you never ground your way up the tiers like most folk, and learned lots of useful lessons on the way.

And tier 10 is a hard place to learn those lessons cos HUGE guns, mistakes more costly and greater skill inequalities, ie you're quite likely to have a terrible team and face some very good players or watch the red team evaporate when the good players are on your team.

 

My advice is find a couple of lines and play them through.

You'll be surprised by how many gems you're missing out on the way. It's not all about tier X.

Try not to think about wn8 whilst you're doing it and enjoy the challenge of learning the nuances of all the tanks on the way.

By the time youre done 2 or 3 lines your wn8 will have skyrocketed anyway.

 

Also E25 is actually quite a tricky tank to get the hang of, quite specialist. I hope you've a good medium or TD crew for it!



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wn8 is not a real stat. it is an entirely subjective pile of nonsense

 

tier 3 is just as hard to win at as tier 10.....maybe harder

 

and winning the game without firing a shot would lower your wn8 but is a totally valid way to win sometimes if the enemy team is ahead in kills and you need to cap

 

get over your fake elitist nonsense



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Like other said try not to worry about it.

 

the E25 needs the best TD crew you can put in it. Especially these day with all the yolo lights around.



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I'm not sure someone rueing going from dark green to light green is elitist, ersatz or not :ponderous:

 

wn8 is flawed but not entirely without validity.

wotinfo's implementation is even more flawed and just adds to the possible exploits.

But if someone is exploiting, well exploits, in order to boost wn8 they're only lying to themselves. It doesn't necessarily mean they're getting any better.

 

However i think it's valuable when ranting about how awful teams are, or how WG fix it to make you have bad games, to see evidence that maybe it is oneself that sucks and that others seem to be able to overcome WG's 'fix'.

Noone can fix themselves until they admit there's a problem, and for that stats serve a useful function.

 

In my case I discovered that wn8 is directly proportional to my alcoholic intake. I reckon booze has cost me a minimum of 300 overall wn8 :D

And I have no doubt at all that wn8 reflects reality.

That I'm a much less consistent player when pie-eyed.

I'm still capable of having very good games, but I'm wayyy more likely to be impatient and expose myself to incoming fire or do something impulsive that gets me killed.

 

Is it valid to cap when you're down and the reds have overcommitted? of course it is. But it'd be weird if that was statistically relevant given it happens roughly 1 in every 100-200 games in my experience.



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You need to drop down some tiers and learn to play the game better. Tier X is a cesspit. Drop to tier 5 and move up when you are 'good'.

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View Postmockney_piers, on 22 March 2018 - 05:01 AM, said:

we can all play the game any way we want, but it looks like to me you've bought a bunch of premiums then free XPed your way up to the top tiers.

Which s fine, but now you're worried about your wn8.

The problem here is that you never ground your way up the tiers like most folk, and learned lots of useful lessons on the way.

And tier 10 is a hard place to learn those lessons cos HUGE guns, mistakes more costly and greater skill inequalities, ie you're quite likely to have a terrible team and face some very good players or watch the red team evaporate when the good players are on your team.

 

My advice is find a couple of lines and play them through.

You'll be surprised by how many gems you're missing out on the way. It's not all about tier X.

Try not to think about wn8 whilst you're doing it and enjoy the challenge of learning the nuances of all the tanks on the way.

By the time youre done 2 or 3 lines your wn8 will have skyrocketed anyway.

 

Also E25 is actually quite a tricky tank to get the hang of, quite specialist. I hope you've a good medium or TD crew for it!

 

good advice.

I was shocked at how well some tier 5, 6 and 7's played after I had some real experience.

Going down a few tiers gave me opportunities to learn instead of getting pounded in the higher tiers.



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:(View Postcarlos_dayoos, on 19 March 2018 - 04:20 PM, said:

Hi 

 

I stopped playing the game after the introduction of 3-5-7 template MM.

But before doing that, i had worked very hard reaching a WN8 of 1200 +  (i was pride of being labeled as "good" player by wotinfo.net)

 

So i came back a couple of months ago and me being gone for so long and also no changes in the current MM, i started to ruin my WN8 to the point that i am now "above average" again and that number is decreasing as we speak.

 

With my current skills and MM, its impossible to have a few good games in a row and instead my teams are getting steamrolled to the point that it has become impossible for me to book progress. Every time i do 3000 + damage in a game, the next few games will automatically become 0 damage etc, 

 

Despite really wanting to play more games, I am also scared to play since i don't want to make my WN8 worse.

 

You can now say that i have become a slave of my own stats to the point that it has stopped me from playing and enjoying the game.

 

Anymore players with the same problem?

 

 

 

 

 

​who cares about stats ...just play the game !!!! someone has to be bottom of the table so don't worry, besides you can't get lower than me lol:(

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View Poststeelheadclan, on 19 March 2018 - 04:33 PM, said:

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I’m enjoying WOT now more than ever. 

I care about my stats but I realize also that RNG and/or team is sometimes against me and that I still what to have fun. 

Sometimes I’ll do a stupid yolo just for the fun of it and I actually enjoy stupid plays as long as they’re planned. 

If you get a string of crappy teams deal with it, it always swings the other way eventually.

 

 

 

 Why should we "deal with it" though?  The matchmaking sucks in this game.  It limits the player base, which is idiotic on multiple levels. 

 


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View Postcarlos_dayoos, on 22 March 2018 - 05:07 AM, said:

 

Yeah i know, but there surely must be a way to block it from retrieving player battle information on the fly or not? I don't understand why WG is tolerating this. It's not like they are using that info for creating better MM or something and you don't have to be a genius to know that wn8 is influencing the game play in a bad way. I mean, its already proven that on the PC people are misusing xvm to single out poor players which is just plain cheating. Fortunately, there are no mods yet on the console but you never know.

Why are they tolerating this?

 

Because it gets people involved in the game for One.

 

As to XVM, there is a reason Console doesn't allow such mods in game in Game it would lead to stat shaming and playing according to who's easy to kill makes complete sense why Console doesn't support direct mods.

 

But people still want something to allow them to see how and if they are improving. WN8 is simply a player based system to help with that, since WG's system is horrible at best.

 

Why prevent people from seeing the stats?



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View PostSovietdeath, on 23 March 2018 - 05:01 AM, said:

 WN8 is simply a player based system to help with that, since WG's system is horrible at best.

 

Why prevent people from seeing the stats?

 

Ironically they have the best system, it's called XP.

I don't know why they don't report unmodified XP on their API. Weird.



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View Postmockney_piers, on 23 March 2018 - 03:08 AM, said:

 

Ironically they have the best system, it's called XP.

I don't know why they don't report unmodified XP on their API. Weird.

They never have, so we can't really check on that, while I would love to see unmodified XP numbers. But oh well

 

(PS I was referring to WGs Global Ranking)



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yeah, don't worry i understood and totally agree with you :)

 

Given console has had assisted damage for at least 18 months, i do wonder why noone has come up with a wnX that incorporates it.






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