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TwistedArtek #1 Posted 16 April 2018 - 01:00 PM

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View PostTwistedArtek, on 16 April 2018 - 01:00 PM, said:

Hi ,i whana buy 1 of those tanks,but i dont know witch one,please help me with choice.

Is3A or Kirovets 1 1or Is5

 

 

Hi ,i whana buy 1 of those tanks,but i dont know witch one,please help me with choice.

Is3A or Krivets 1or Is5



Jope2209 #2 Posted 16 April 2018 - 01:39 PM

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IS-3A is good tank, but it's Fatherland and it was earnable tank in some Ops (two Ops so far)...I don't have other two, but IS-5 is similar to IS-3A and this third tank, I'm guessing it's Scourge Kirovets 1 is basicaly a first variant of IS-3 tank, without pike nose and worse front armor than any other IS-3 variant...Kirovets 1 is new tank, not so many of them around, it's early to make conclusions, but so far I haven't had any problems with them as opponents. Also, judging by the practice so far, you can expect unskinned (and probably cheaper) version of Kirovets 1 in store very soon, so don't rush with your decision.

 

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MASHMAN 90 #3 Posted 16 April 2018 - 01:46 PM

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Not sure if many reviews of Scourge but Quickybaby has a Review of IS-3 Auto and maybe IS-5 as well.

 

For Scourge, i'd recommend searching Console CC's such as Cpt Beardface, Bullvyi, Spartan Elite 43 for example, i don't watch Console CC's religiously though but would have a look.

 

All three virtually play the same however but heard lots of Bad things about Fatherland IS-3 A but it's not a bad tank (weaker IS-3).



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Well the the is3a/fartherland and is5 at lowest average damage wise only below the T34 for tier 8 premium heavies and there are like 28 on the list i think .

Hypocrite #5 Posted 16 April 2018 - 02:00 PM

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I own both the Fatherland (IS-3A) and Glory (IS-5). I do not own a Scourge, mainly because I own plenty of other Tier 8 Russian premiums.

 

Given a choice among the three I would probably go with the IS-5; while it and the IS-3A share many similarities it just "feels" better to me. Both play similarly to an IS-3 so if you understand how the pike-nose works you'll be fine.

 

The Scourge/Kirovets-1 is a different beast - the plain sloped frontal armor allows to you angle the tank as you would most any other without destroying the armor protection like you do when you try that in the pike-nosed IS's. Based on the tanks you've already played, the Kirovets might actually be the best choice for you since it won't require completely re-learning how to play a heavy tank.

 

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View PostTwistedArtek, on 16 April 2018 - 01:00 PM, said:

Hi ,i whana buy 1 of those tanks,but i dont know witch one,please help me with choice.

Is3A or Krivets 1or Is5

 

Go for the Kv4K Verzila. Better gun handling than all the other three mentioned and has pretty good armour too. Plus i think its cheaper than the others also.

 

I got rid of my Glory IS 5 as i just got fed up with the unreliable gun handling, which i know is what you get with the Russian 122mm, but i had enough fully aimed shots (which take a life time to aim in!) derp into the ground or try to bring a plane down!

So far i'm finding the Verzila gun to be far more reliable but this is just me.


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Camelman Fin #7 Posted 16 April 2018 - 02:29 PM

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View PostMASHMAN 90, on 16 April 2018 - 03:46 PM, said:

Not sure if many reviews of Scourge but Quickybaby has a Review of IS-3 Auto and maybe IS-5 as well.

 

For Scourge, i'd recommend searching Console CC's such as Cpt Beardface, Bullvyi, Spartan Elite 43 for example, i don't watch Console CC's religiously though but would have a look.

 

All three virtually play the same however but heard lots of Bad things about Fatherland IS-3 A but it's not a bad tank (weaker IS-3).

 

Kirovets is good little tank and far more better than IS-5 or IS-3 auto and gun is far more better than Defenders gun.

and its armor holds up pretty nicely too



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View PostScoobydooboj, on 16 April 2018 - 03:22 PM, said:

 

Go for the Kv4K Verzila. Better gun handling than all the other three mentioned and has pretty good armour too. Plus i think its cheaper than the others also.

 

I got rid of my Glory IS 5 as i just got fed up with the unreliable gun handling, which i know is what you get with the Russian 122mm, but i had enough fully aimed shots (which take a life time to aim in!) derp into the ground or try to bring a plane down!

So far i'm finding the Verzila gun to be far more reliable but this is just me.

 

That's true, that IS-5 Glory is the king of the unreliable USSR guns. I cursed this tank, it must be programmed like that to be so bad. That shell goes anywhere except to where you aim. And I got a V-Stab, EGLD, BIA, Smooth Ride and Snapshot. So frustrating...
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Do not get the IS-5 you will not like the way the gun performs. Like they said above a lot of  problems with Hits and Pens. It does not live up to its tank spec. Truly a frustrating tank to play. 

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View PostDrC08GT, on 15 May 2018 - 07:47 AM, said:

Do not get the IS-5 you will not like the way the gun performs. Like they said above a lot of  problems with Hits and Pens. It does not live up to its tank spec. Truly a frustrating tank to play. 

 

I’ll so add the is-5 is a t-10/is-8 but it’s not a copy of it because their history is related but it’s not enough to make it count as a copy of the t-10/is-8 and dose have the same gun as the is3a what I recommend since it’s cheaper but between the kirovet and is-3a you have to consider their stats of what you rather want 



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Neither, get defender or base IS3 instead.

 

 


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Pawel Broda 73 #14 Posted 06 September 2018 - 09:39 AM

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I would like get this tank as a main prize in ultra hard marathon.



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Isn’t the 252u still available in the premium tech tree?.

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View PostCamelman Fin, on 16 April 2018 - 06:29 AM, said:

Kirovets is good little tank and far more better than IS-5 or IS-3 auto and gun is far more better than Defenders gun.

 

How exactly is it 'far more better' than the Defender gun?

 



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View PostTwistedArtek, on 16 April 2018 - 05:00 AM, said:

Hi ,i whana buy 1 of those tanks,but i dont know witch one,please help me with choice.

Is3A or Krivets 1or Is5

 

I have the IS-3A and the IS-5 and had a look at the Scourge as well. They share the same basic gun specs (penetration/damage), with differences in firing rate and many other differences in armor and mobility.

 

The IS-3A is more sluggish and has a different turret shape that seems to be less efficient at deflections - its front part is more bulbous. It has the fastest firing rate, but aiming time and precision are the least. The bulbous turret and underpowered engine also make it different from the TT IS-3.

 

The IS-5 has a better engine, so it's a bit more agile, and it has a turret whose frontal part seems more effective at bouncing shots. It aims a bit faster than the IS-3A also, but has slower rate of fire too.

 

Both the IS-3A and the IS-5 are pike-nosed.

 

The Scourge provides a variation with a regular front plate (no pike nose) and otherwise the turret profile is more similar to that of the IS-5, although the armor values are different. The gun aims faster and has slightly better accuracy than the one on the other two tanks, but the firing rate is further reduced. Overall, I'd say it looks more similar to the IS-5 with the main difference being the pike nose.

 

Given the tanks I already have, I have little interest in the Scourge, although I wouldn't say no to a gift.

 

From cost perspective, the IS-5 may be less expensive because it's not a skinned version. If you like the Scourge but don't care about the skin, you may want to wait for a regular version to be released. You'd probably save 1600g, maybe even more if you catch some sale.

 

Edit: I forgot an important detail. One thing I noticed about the Scourge is that it has a weaker lower plate than all these other tanks. That would make me prefer the IS-5 over it. Even the Chinese 112 seems to have received a buff to its lower plate and is now better armored there than the Scourge.


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The Scourge is awesome when it hides it lower plate, it does not suffer the top turret weakspot which makes the is3 si vulnerable.

I have all 3 of them.

I like the Glory for its looks and punch but surprisingly I found it to be more vulnerable, less bouncy.
I dislike the Fatherland for its sluggish speed but it can sustain more damages.
I like the Scourge for its armor and speed.

So it's up to you, whatever the stats say, their style is different and feels really different...


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As coming from an owner of the IS-3A and Glory IS-5 these two tanks are great one thing I see is the reload on the IS-3A is faster than my Glory IS 5 just because the IS-3A has a autoloader in it. basically faster reload goes to the IS-3A and you can still side scrape as well as the Glory IS-5 can too but is better at side scraping because the glory is 5 has more side armor. here is the Glory IS 5 video,​https://www.bing.com...6D1&FORM=WRVORC HERE IS THE IS-3A review ​https://www.bing.com...5F&&FORM=VRDGAR




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