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Akumahito #21 Posted 13 June 2018 - 01:25 PM

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View PostMaxChaos24, on 13 June 2018 - 01:01 PM, said:

 

The rename would make no sense. The multipliers are correct and is how multiplying works lol. 

 

Base XP * 1 is NOT a 2x, that is a 1x which is 0 bonus. (Same for the rest of the math statements, they are not correct at all)

 

If you have a 2x bonus and a 3x bonus you would have a 5x bonus. 2+3 = 5, not 6 :P 

 

View PostChr15py, on 13 June 2018 - 01:03 PM, said:

 

Makes sense to me.

 

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Think Max and I both graduated before they changed Math to this Common Core crap...

- I can indeed confirm that a Base XP * 1, Does NOT equal what at Base XP * 2 would be.  200 x 1 = 200,  200 x 2 = 400 :arta:

 

 



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View PostMaxChaos24, on 13 June 2018 - 02:01 PM, said:

 

The rename would make no sense. The multipliers are correct and is how multiplying works lol. 

 

Base XP * 1 is NOT a 2x, that is a 1x which is 0 bonus. (Same for the rest of the math statements, they are not correct at all)

 

If you have a 2x bonus and a 3x bonus you would have a 5x bonus. 2+3 = 5, not 6 :P 

 

No, there is a misunderstanding. You have overlooked the small sign for "plus".

 

I wrote:

"x2" would turn into: "PLUS base xp x 1"

"x3" would turn into: "PLUS base xp x 2"

"x5" would turn into: "PLUS base xp x 4".

 

Please give it another look.



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View PostAkumahito, on 13 June 2018 - 02:25 PM, said:

 

 

Think Max and I both graduated before they changed Math to this Common Core crap...

- I can indeed confirm that a Base XP * 1, Does NOT equal what at Base XP * 2 would be.  200 x 1 = 200,  200 x 2 = 400 :arta:

 

 

 

Give it another look.


You have overlooked the sign for "plus", "+" in post #18.


Edited by GameWinner_001, 13 June 2018 - 01:39 PM.


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View PostChr15py, on 13 June 2018 - 08:03 AM, said:

 

Makes sense to me.

 

Chris

 

If you say "double something" - which is what I read when I see x2 - it does mean take the base and another x1 to it. There is certainly some leeway in making this more clear, but with thousands of opinions on this (potentially), it would be difficult to have one way to satisfy 100% all the time, Just my .02

 

Edit: 2 x1 = 2 and 2 x2 = 4 and not 6.


Edited by II NO x VICE II, 13 June 2018 - 02:17 PM.


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View PostII NO x VICE II, on 13 June 2018 - 03:14 PM, said:

 

If you say "double something" - which is what I read when I see x2 - it does mean take the base and another x1 to it. There is certainly some leeway in making this more clear, but with thousands of opinions on this (potentially), it would be difficult to have one way to satisfy 100% all the time, Just my .02

 

As long as you use only one boost, everything is ok.

 

But it gets "tricky" if you use two boosts (e.g.: daily multiplier and an op) at once because "x2" and "x3" do not make a "x6" in this game. -That's why I call it misleading. People do not get for their money what they expect to get based on the math they learnd in school.

 

 

That's why I have made the suggestion above in post #18 ("x5" boost op = "PLUS base xp x 4" ).

 

 

If the desription was like this there would not be any misunderstanding even when using your daily "x2" and a "x3" boost op at the same time.......

 


Edited by GameWinner_001, 13 June 2018 - 02:21 PM.


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View PostGameWinner_001, on 13 June 2018 - 12:37 PM, said:

 

 

No, the current naming of boost ops is so super obviously misleading.

 

I have the following suggestion for you:

Rename the

x2 boost into: "+ base xp x 1"

x3 boost into: "+ base xp x 2"

x5 boost into: "+ base xp x 4"

and so on.

 

Then it is transparent and every non-forumer would know what he/she will get for their money. - I mean, you even say they work additive (in other threads). Then why not show this accordingly in the naming of the multipliers?

 

 

If I have a "x2" multiplier and a "x3" multiplier.... OF COURSE I would intuitively think that it would make a "x6" together......................................

That's how math works.

 

View PostGameWinner_001, on 13 June 2018 - 01:37 PM, said:

 

No, there is a misunderstanding. You have overlooked the small sign for "plus".

 

I wrote:

"x2" would turn into: "PLUS base xp x 1"

"x3" would turn into: "PLUS base xp x 2"

"x5" would turn into: "PLUS base xp x 4".

 

Please give it another look.

 

That's even more confusing than what it is now.

 



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View PostAkumahito, on 13 June 2018 - 07:03 PM, said:

 

 

That's even more confusing than what it is now.

 


You can certainly see it that way (a simple "x2" sounds more catchy, of course).
But my suggestion would at least make clear how it works.

 

I mean, that so many people on the forums ask again and again "how does it work, I do not understand?" or complain that it was even broken, has a reason. - Most of these people are not idiots. Most of them have some intuitive understanding of maths.

 

And there are many people who do not even come to the forums.

I have a lot of them in my friend list.

 

They asked me, how the counting works.

After I have explained it to my friends, they were all like "wth?!"  :-).

 

But just a small amount of these people ask their questions here in the forums.


It is not good for the game if you have a lot of people sitting around thinking to themselves "wth".

This could in the end just be one more (small) reason to leave the game.

 

And that is not in WG's interest nor in mine as a player.

That's why I made this suggestion.

 

If you have a better one, just let it hear! :-)

 


Edited by GameWinner_001, 13 June 2018 - 06:17 PM.


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View PostMaxChaos24, on 13 June 2018 - 02:01 PM, said:

 

The rename would make no sense. The multipliers are correct and is how multiplying works lol. 

 

Base XP * 1 is NOT a 2x, that is a 1x which is 0 bonus. (Same for the rest of the math statements, they are not correct at all)

 

If you have a 2x bonus and a 3x bonus you would have a 5x bonus. 2+3 = 5, not 6 :P 

 

Max, your calculation is wrong (just realized it now):

If you have x2 bonus (daily first win bonus) and a x3 boost op you do NOT have a x5 bonus.

 

The bonuses work as you have explained above and as my suggestions in post #18 (and please pay attention to the little sign for "plus", "+" ) reflect it.

 

 

E.g.:

If it was like you said (x2 + x3 = x5): A player with 1,000 base xp would receive 5,000 xp in total. - But that's not the case. The player will not receive 5,000 xp.

 

The player with 1,000 base xp will receive an additional 1,000 xp because of the x2 first win bonus and another 2,000 xp because of the x3 boost op. He will receive 4,000 xp in total.


Edited by GameWinner_001, 14 June 2018 - 08:22 AM.


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View PostGameWinner_001, on 14 June 2018 - 03:22 AM, said:

 

Max, your calculation is wrong (just realized it now):

If you have x2 bonus (daily first win bonus) and a x3 boost op you do NOT have a x5 bonus.

 

The bonuses work as you have explained above and as my suggestions in post #18 (and please pay attention to the little sign for "plus", "+" ) reflect it.

 

 

E.g.:

If it was like you said (x2 + x3 = x5): A player with 1,000 base xp would receive 5,000 xp in total. - But that's not the case. The player will not receive 5,000 xp.

 

The player with 1,000 base xp will receive an additional 1,000 xp because of the x2 first win bonus and another 2,000 xp because of the x3 boost op. He will receive 4,000 xp in total.

 

It is the "stacking" that produces this effect. The value of the original XP is subtracted from all calculations since it is already awarded once. I have never thought of it as x2 and x3 equals x5, I have always thought of it as  - they are stacking it as per some algorithm that applies to all players equally at all times.

 

As I said earlier, there would be room to improve the wording, but who knows where the sweet spot is. Players who are ok with it, will be ok with it regardless, and players who are not might find fault with that regardless of the wording.



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Instead of making the attempt to understand simple math, lets change it so it makes one person happy...   NOT

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View PostII NO x VICE II, on 14 June 2018 - 12:32 PM, said:

 

It is the "stacking" that produces this effect. The value of the original XP is subtracted from all calculations since it is already awarded once. I have never thought of it as x2 and x3 equals x5, I have always thought of it as  - they are stacking it as per some algorithm that applies to all players equally at all times.

 

As I said earlier, there would be room to improve the wording, but who knows where the sweet spot is. Players who are ok with it, will be ok with it regardless, and players who are not might find fault with that regardless of the wording.

 

Yeah, that's the way how it works (subtracting the original xp).

I know this already for a long time too, just like you - thanks to Max who explained it to me like two years ago.

Personally, I can deal with that as I know how they work.

 

The problem I see are other users:

Currently the in game store is flooded with x3 boost op packages.

Now imagine a gamer making the decision to finally buy 100 x3 boost ops. After having played a match that person wants to calculate his xp.

And then that person will find out that he gets less xp than expected.

Maybe he will not come to the forums but simply get a bad opinion about the game and might even leave in the long term because he spent some big cash for something intransparent.

That cannot be WG's nor our interest - in my opinion :-).

 

I think players are more happy and are more likely to spend money again if they can easily calculate their xp on their own without having to ask someone in the forums so that they can see for what exactly they have spent their money.


Edited by GameWinner_001, 15 June 2018 - 09:43 AM.





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