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Proflex08 #221 Posted 08 August 2018 - 11:23 AM

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View PostPanzerfahrer1976, on 08 August 2018 - 11:09 AM, said:

 

Omg, you are lost. U realy think u/we can improve the player base? Never ever...Last game a Platoon of 2 Emil 1 stay AFK in Base and dont move. this happens every time, now and in the future and WG do nothing...

 

WG has done something about afk tanks, I'll agree they should do more, but it's not like they've done absolutely nothing. Same goes for players that troll other players.

 

And yes, we can improve the player base, all its going to take is time. Not sure if you have read anything so far in this thread, but there are already lots of veteran players that are willing to step up and help. We already have Wargamings community team interested in helping out. If it works, we may even get assistance from the developer team as well. 

 

If your not interested in helping out, that's fine, not everyone is going to be. Nor is everyone going to be able to assist. Myself for instance. I don't have the time to dedicate to the training rooms, but I'm trying to help out behind the scenes. All we are asking for is support. 


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I have been playing for more than 2 yrs i have been in a couple of clans,  not one of the vet players ever said this is how you do this. I am slowly getting a grasp on how to play, after nearly 12,000 battles i am a below average player,  so something like this would help make the game fun for the new and some older players like me. I don't how many times i wanted to throw the controller through the window, but i want to get better

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View PostProflex08, on 08 August 2018 - 04:46 AM, said:

 

That is something I believe that has been discussed. Getting newer players in a room and showing them weak spots  leading shots on moving targets, other aspects of shooting.

Didn’t quote everything I saw touched on about OP4. 

 

I agree, I’ll play moving target for practice. What to do vs an aggressive light/medium, how to deal with yoloing, things that help vs aggressive arty. And of course live fire drills/scrimmage. 

 

Side note: Watched some of the stream with the PZ V/IV and the KV1. Unfortunately I was on and off the phone so I didn’t get to listen to all of it. 

 

Promoting, drawing them in, and getting them actually listening may be complicated. But I see Rai is looking into helping. Which is great. May even post a picture of my rescued tuxedo kitty if that would help. Will dress my pug up like MIB if that helps lol

 

 

 

 

 


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View PostProflex08, on 08 August 2018 - 10:43 AM, said:

 

I've discussed this with Max already. They think that if there is no cost to training rooms, players will "abuse" it going on with full premium load outs.

To a degree I understand and agree with the mind set, but how long would it take before players get board of not making silver or xp? 

Time to negotiate a premium load out % for the league?  Not sure why WG is worried about what shells are fired in a training room.  Perhaps he thinks we will load up on premium ammo there for free.and bring it back to the normal mm?  



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View PostPanzerfahrer1976, on 08 August 2018 - 11:09 AM, said:

 

Omg, you are lost. U realy think u/we can improve the player base? Never ever...Last game a Platoon of 2 Emil 1 stay AFK in Base and dont move. this happens every time, now and in the future and WG do nothing...

The entire player base? No.  But if 300 tankers get better it is a start and maybe 700 tankers in the first year you don't think it would be an improvement?  It certainly won't make it worse.  



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View Postpr0fit0fcanabis, on 08 August 2018 - 11:48 AM, said:

Time to negotiate a premium load out % for the league?  Not sure why WG is worried about what shells are fired in a training room.  Perhaps he thinks we will load up on premium ammo there for free.and bring it back to the normal mm?  

 

That might actually be the issue, he never elaborated why they wouldn't change it other than to mention the economics of training rooms and to try to keep players in regular multi-player games.

 

I think what might be the best option is to get a "ranked" battle room set up on certain days. They've already got the template for it, and it would cover basically everything we need  They could add a %150 silver earning in it and that should cover the cost of participating. Something along those lines.


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View PostProflex08, on 08 August 2018 - 10:43 AM, said:

 

I've discussed this with Max already. They think that if there is no cost to training rooms, players will "abuse" it going on with full premium load outs.

To a degree I understand and agree with the mind set, but how long would it take before players get board of not making silver or xp? 

I don't see why that would matter. Stats aren't effected in TRs, those people could just be kicked too. If randoms want to spam prem at each other in TRs then that works in WGs favour, they will burn through silver and will likely need to buy prem time or tanks to earn it back. 

EDITED: saw the post above regarding people loading prem in TRs. Just make it so loadouts are locked upon entering that mode. They already lock tanks to certain modes so surely it can be done. 

 

Sorting that is the single biggest thing they could do to help this whole thing imho, it's a very limiting factor.. :facepalm: things like this are why i am jaded. I have low silver reserves most of the time (bad habit of buying and selling TT tanks). My involvement will be extremely limited due to this. 


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zinkler86 #228 Posted 08 August 2018 - 12:11 PM

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I like that ideas like this are coming up but I'll give you a little snippet of my reaction 3 yrs ago as a noob if pop ups came up offering help and a league for newbies.... "screw you I don't need help, let me learn the game" now I'm not saying it's a bad idea but as a noob, other new players are likely to do this. It's ok offering help but these players need to take you up on the offer. I for one 3 years ago wouldn't and I doubt new players now would too. Personally I cannot see the player base improving no matter how much help is offered.

 

Edit: just to make it clear I like the idea and anything to help new players is a good idea. I just don't think people are bothered and are happy to camp base, Yolo, die early and not help the team. It's what gets their kicks and if it's the norm then that's what they will do and are no likely to change this habit



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View Postzinkler86, on 08 August 2018 - 12:11 PM, said:

I like that ideas like this are coming up but I'll give you a little snippet of my reaction 3 yrs ago as a noob if pop ups came up offering help and a league for newbies.... "screw you I don't need help, let me learn the game" now I'm not saying it's a bad idea but as a noob, other new players are likely to do this. It's ok offering help but these players need to take you up on the offer. I for one 3 years ago wouldn't and I doubt new players now would too. Personally I cannot see the player base improving no matter how much help is offered.

 

Edit: just to make it clear I like the idea and anything to help new players is a good idea. I just don't think people are bothered and are happy to camp base, Yolo, die early and not help the team. It's what gets their kicks and if it's the norm then that's what they will do and are no likely to change this habit

You improve the ones who want to improve.  Are you saying no one wants to improve?  



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Just giving my opinion on how I was when I started. There is already PLENTY out there using youtube, this forum and other means to help players improve but if new players watch everyone else Yolo, die early etc they will think it's the norm. If they are happy just to turn on their console, have a few games and keep their 46% wr then your not likely to get through to them. Like I said I wouldn't take this offer up when I started and if this did get backing by WG what's to say anyone will turn up. I think development over the years has gone on new content and not on player retention or new players so the quality of players has dropped. I just think it's too far gone and new players wouldn't take up the offer of improvement.

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If this helps even one player understand the game is better for it. This idea will not change everything immediately, but making the attempt to do something is so much better than doing nothing.

You can, of course, watch videos, look for help online etc to try and improve. Making a mistake and having an experienced coach show you why it is a mistake has much more value.

They need help guiding the players to the wothp clan so they can start to make a change.

 

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Hey Profit, I sent you a PM on this. While I am not a great player, I have run training rooms for basic comp match stuff - getting and maintaining hull down positioning, side scrapping, double side scrapping, echelon positioning, etc. A caveat - I did not train for map awareness or prime locations since that was comp team developed information, Also, outside of side scrapping, these items are not always useful when solo, but it does help when working with platoon mates. 

 

Please let me know if you would like me to go over these items in a training room with some of your training folks, which could then be passed along to the masses.


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View Postdeadmeat1027, on 08 August 2018 - 04:51 AM, said:

For the love of God don't drive infront of your teammate who is actively shooting at an enemy. Good lesson to learn early.

 

Even more important: Don't park behind a teammate that's not significantly bigger than you.

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View PostPanzerfahrer1976, on 08 August 2018 - 06:09 AM, said:

 

Omg, you are lost. U realy think u/we can improve the player base? Never ever...Last game a Platoon of 2 Emil 1 stay AFK in Base and dont move. this happens every time, now and in the future and WG do nothing...

 

Wow....guys are offering to try to help improve the player base and you bittch about it?!?!  :facepalm: 

 

Plus, scroll up.....Raibot has already said let's get this going which could ultimately help those two Emil drivers.


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View PostProflex08, on 08 August 2018 - 11:43 AM, said:

I've discussed this with Max already. They think that if there is no cost to training rooms, players will "abuse" it going on with full premium load outs.

To a degree I understand and agree with the mind set, but how long would it take before players get board of not making silver or xp? 

 

I don't see the problem here.

 

  • Make normal rounds free, premium rounds half (or quarter) price.
  • If players are bored in the training room, they can leave.
  • Certain training can be done in randoms.


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View Postkorbendallas-01, on 08 August 2018 - 10:02 AM, said:

 

Even more important: Don't park behind a teammate that's not significantly bigger than you.

:teethhappy: fixed that for you


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View Postdeadmeat1027, on 08 August 2018 - 08:12 AM, said:

"A beginning is a very delicate time." Frank Herbert-Dune

 

Dune reference.....AWESOME!!

 

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Edited by OldRugger51, 08 August 2018 - 03:17 PM.

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View PostOldRugger51, on 08 August 2018 - 10:15 AM, said:

 

Dune reference.....AWESOME!!

 

Deadmeat, you have strength. You shall be known as Usul - which is the strength of the base of the pillar. This is your secret name in our troop. 

 

And in reference to the theme of this topic, "The sleeper has awakened." 

 


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View PostProflex08, on 07 August 2018 - 06:01 PM, said:

 

I like it 

 

Im ok with this

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